Time for Clarification
Voting for None of the above is NOT an option for some folks, SOME folks appear to have it their minds that a write in is the best way to protest, It might very well be, but until you can get a spot on the ballot for that in all 50 states its as hopeless as any other idea.
While I agree on principle with a write in or throw away vote, I am not willing to sacrifice 10 to 20 more years of liberal asswipes on the SCOTUS, nor can I allow my vote (or non vote) to be cast for a super liberal.
SOME folks can wordsmith it all they want, call people names because they DON’T see things in a narrow view. I reserve the right to vote for whoever the fuck I want to vote for, I reserve the right to WAIT before I say I wont vote for whoever. And if that makes me “Not as Conservative” I can live with that.
Oh and I reserve the right to view things the way I see fit and post it the way I see it. Thats why this is My BLOG I pay for the damn thing.
Some folks saw this coming, Some folks talk about divide and conquer as a liberal strategy, THE RINO’s accomplished it IMO. And because I won’t blindly follow those accusing folks of blindly following I must be a fake patriot, so be it.
I’ll tell you something else, as soon as SOME folks are willing to do something more than sit behind a chair and complain about the status quo, the sooner WE as Conservatives might actually get better than McCain to vote for.
I think those that know me know I would be the first on the streets with a pitchfork and a torch if it came to that. I wouldn’t be just sitting here complaining that’s not how I roll so to speak.
I think we need to be wise about what we do in this election, I also think we need to be smart about the divide we create among the “Right of Center” folks. If you want to call it “Fake” if you want to call it “Soft” so be it. I am tired of the bullshit. I am tired of “Fake stands” you want to take to the streets and make change let me know where and when, you want to do it in cyber space or a silly write in campaign that only can be done in some states.. you are on your own. There are some very big issues coming up in Cali, and Not voting is NOT an option, I don’t know what I’ll do when the time comes, that is my right. IF McCain picks a strong VP then this is an easy choice if not the choice will be a game time decision.
34 Replies to “Time for Clarification”
After reading McCain’s stance on the major issues, I find myself more in line with him than I thought.
And after reading Obama’s stance on the major issues, nothing has changed. The guy is a vacuum of experience.
We have less than 3 months to convince the fence sitters that even a month of Obama would be more devistating to this country than any length of term Mccain might occupy. as POTUS.
@Gawfer: Well I don’t know who would be worse honestly Gawfer, I am in line with McCain’s views on a couple of issues, but I find myself ANGRY about his AMNESTY mentality. I think he may have learned a valuable lesson about the American People. I also know that Obama wins the WH if the “True Conservatives” vote for a write in or not vote.
Obama could serve 8 years, McCain might not make it through 4. Obama could appoint as many as 6 judges to the SCOTUS, McCain maybe 2. The SCOTUS is in play and if the libtards get a strong foothold there the GUN Grabbing will truly commence.
Thanks to the RINO’S of the GOP for giving us this choice. But I think its an easy one right now.
I posted something about “writing in” on Fred’s blog, on his latest post, like I said before (I can’t remember when), I feel that the presidents job is not to agree with everything we want, but more to move the country forward in the way he wants, if we don’t agree with how he wants to do it, then vote for the one who agrees with more views and still has a chance of winning.
Still, when McCain changes his stance, it is called “flip-flopping”, when Obama does it, they call it “know how to adapt”. :bigeyes:
That’s a great post, and yep, you DO have that right to post anything you like here…
Well, so do I, on MY blog, and far be it for me to tell you that you need to rephrase or edit something that you feel very strongly about…
On this one we’re just going to have to agree to disagree… And don’t for 1 minute think that I am not seriously engaged in political activism right here in Texas, and since you brought it up, you keep saying that *someone* needs to get it on the ballot in ALL 50 states, and in that you are quite correct, but that would be the residents OF those individual states…
Rob, if times got tough there is NO ONE I would rather have beside me than you, I love ya like a brother, but on this issue we are 180° diametrically opposed…
And in 1861 even *close* families were divided by what was the serious issue of their time. I don’t want that to happen to you and me but I will die and go to hell before I vote for either of the candidates running for POTUS…
And remember, last night you told me that IF McCain took Lieberman as a VP choice, you’d drop McCain in second… Well, there’s YOUR vote for the halfbreed stealth muzzie if you do…
Can’t have it both ways, at least I can’t, I either stand in full support or in full opposition, and this time it’s opposition…
Fred,
LOL, at least we don’t stab each other like an Obama supporting dem did to his brother in law because he supported Clinton.
McCain’s pick of a VP WILL affect my decision. I haven’t moved beyond the anger of him and his damn amnesty bs either…but Lord, this is the most important election of my lifetime. I’m so upset by this race that I have moments of thinking I would cast a vote for Hillary in a heartbeat over either of these 2, and I hate Hillary. Guess I have to wait on making a decision until the 29th when we all see who we will be blessed/cursed with as Veep.
@TexasFred:
Yeah We can disagree Fred, I am not willing to throw it out there just yet that a I won’t vote for either candidate as a sign of protest. I am not willing YET to give Obama the White House. I am not willing to lay on the floor and throw a fit because we didn’t get the ideal candidate, I will hold my nose and vote for the one I think will do a better job between the two. I am not happy about it, but there is more at stake than ONE term. More Than ONE issue.
Logic will eventually take hold and even the most die hard “True Conservatives” will see.
We really have no choice. But hey that’s just a fake Conservative talking. I mean It’s much better to throw your vote away, and allow a couple of Liberal Judges on the SCOTUS, then when the next DC gun ban comes up or a Roe V Wade challenge or a Gay Marriage or partial birth or any of the several others that are being NARROWLY upheld our protest vote will really be worth it then right?
But neither one of these candidates are good enough… Yep I agree NEITHER of them are Ideal, and for your info if Hilary was the other one I might be a little more inclined to be with you on this. BUT she is not. We have a choice McCain or Obama and none is not an option.
You do with your vote as you wish. I will vote my way. IF that makes me a fake conservative, throwing your vote away makes you a liberal…I want right leaning judges on the SCOTUS and We have a better chance of getting that with McCain than Obama…
And BTW, when I told you if he picked lieberman I was not voting for him, I did say that but you know what, after further review I probably would still vote for McCain… Funny thing about elections, I can vote whatever way I want and I don’t have to paint my self into a corner.. If McCain picks Hunter I guess you are still none of the above huh? You told me you would vote for him if he picked a strong Veep? then why are you already saying None of the Above? No choice has been made, there is hope still.
If we worked as hard at trying to get stronger Conservatives running as we work at blasting those not conservative enough we wouldn’t be discussing this.
You can live in a black and white world Fred, it’s in print. There is some gray area and right now for me it’s the SCOTUS that is at the heart of the election. I still work for a living and I need higher taxes like you need a cut in medicare. My gut tells me Obama would be worse than Bush… My gut tells me McCain wont be worse than Bush.
We protested in 2006. how did that work out? the Dems have both and we have got screwed. NOW we want to give the WH to a absolute lib? good move. I’ll take Dem lite now and try to fix it in 4.
Fact McCain serves 4 years. MAX, The SCOTUS appointments he would make would not hurt our cause.
Fact: Obama can serve 4 years maybe 8 ANY SCOTUS appointments he makes Destroys our causes.
I had to decide this some time ago — as likely we all had to make our own personal determinations, some time ago. I simply can’t not vote. It’s a terrible dilemma, certainly. We all agree. We all agree about the GOP RINOs. I cannot help but believe, however, that the only persons to benefit from my staying home in protest or by penciling in another individual will be Obama and his Leftist, Socialist minions. I don’t see Obama, should he step into the White House, as a 4-year president; I see him as an 8-year man, or handing off to whomever his VP may be for 2012.
BZ
@Robert,
Wow, right the way I wanted to say it!! :shootin:
I won’t…
What size is THAT flip-flop??
Worked pretty well here, we have 2 U.S. Senators that are Conservative Repubs and my Congressman, Sam Johnson, is a STRONG Conservative… Worked great here… As I said, what happens in Cali is way beyond MY control, you live there, organize and work on it…
McCain is NOT that smart…
You’re taking this as a PERSONAL attack, nowhere were you named, NOWHERE, and yet you continue to DIRECTLY call names?? Ya called me names in IM, you said I was just like Ranando, you said I was going off *half cocked as usual*, you said a lot of shit, you then said it was all about you misread the post and you had a bad night at work and you woke up in a bad mood and I told you, “OK, fair enough”, then I come here and post a really nice comment to you and you turn around and call names again?? Have another bad night Rob?? I accepted what you said, told you OK, fair enough, and that’s ALL you get…
I am NOT gonna kiss your ass and I don’t expect you to kiss mine, but about one more time of DIRECT name calling and then a lotta folks are going to see this as something other than a political discussion…
There are MILLIONS of voters in this nation, I addressed it to the PUBLIC, NO NAMES, no fingers pointed at ANY individual or blog, but you’re really taking this personal, and Rob, this is gonna piss you off but name calling, on a personal basis, really isn’t getting you anywhere…
I am NOT a liberal and anyone that’s ever read my blog or talked to me KNOWS it, including you… This is NOT about NOT VOTING, it’s about setting up the future, and we’ll have none if either of these idiots gets elected… McCain IS as much a lib as Obama, it’s just a fact that Obama doesn’t try to hide the fact that he’s a libber…
If the nuance of that escapes you, I am sorry, if this pisses you off, that’s your problem, YOU made it personal, I tried to ramp it down, you won’t have any part of it… OK, great… Your decision… But in 4 year, if McCain is POTUS, I want you to look back and remember this conversation… I have NO delusions regarding what an Obama presidency will be like, but unlike you, I am willing to make the attempt at stopping BOTH of em, simply because I see McCain for what he REALLY is and have sited it many times on my blog…
Vote any way you like, if this all goes over your head, in 3 or 4 years, when it comes back and slaps ya in the face, when McCain’s real LIBBER side comes out, you’ll think back to this and shake your head and wonder, “How did he know”…
TF and Robert: ONE bit of good news is that it appears VERY likely that Tom McClintock is going to be able to take the 4th Congressional district in Fornicalia from Demorat Charlie Brown come November. I have personally contributed cash to and walked for McClintock. Politics DO begin at home, and McClintock is the kind of guy I’d DEFINITELY tout for president. He”s gotta hit this, then Governor, first.
BZ
Robert, I think the SCOTUS thing is what really has me upset. If this goes Obama’s way, the unborn will never have *human* rights, and what is more human than an innocent baby….I am hoping McCain picks a Veep that is conservative, but have to hold my breath and wait. My hope is that people will factor in the damage that can be done by SCOTUS should obamassiagh get elected.
Boy, aint that the truth Jo.
Obama is sooo left, he’s the only Senator to vote against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act (BAIP) that provides the 15-20% of aborted babies that happen to be born alive human rights, then repeatedly lied about it until his voting record was exposed last week.
That dude is bad news on many levels.
Gawfer, no one has even remotely said he’s NOT… I think the SOB is evil incarnate…
But McCain has been rumored to be contemplating a *pro choice* VP to balance HIS ticket out…
All this entire election is, is a referendum on which one is the least evil…
Well,
Like I said in my first comment Fred, after reading McCain’s positions on Health Care, Abortion, International Aid, National Security, Social Security, Technology and Communication, Welfare and Poverty, and Supreme Court Justices, I find myself mostly agreeing with his ideologies. I utterly disagree with him on immigration and the border, and am leery about his position on offshore drilling. So, even if I give 50% value to the border issue, I still find myself in agreement with McCain 50% of the remaining issues.
I agree with Obama 0% of the time which means even if McCain picks a pro-abortion candidate, there is no question in my mind who I’ll vote for. I believe my position is based on logic and reason.
You may be right Fred… But he’s kept it hidden for 26 years; why not 4 more, LOL!
Gawfer, that’s not quite correct, he hasn’t kept anything hidden, he claims to have changed his position, I use his past performance as facts to base MY opinions on, maybe you missed this http://texasfred.net/archives/1307 and this http://texasfred.net/archives/1058…
McCain’s words today don’t jive with his actions in the past, and it IS my belief that he’s going to revert TO those Dem/Libber ways almost as soon as seated… What’s going to stop him once he’s in office?? The Republican controlled Senate and House?? That my friend is where the REAL battle must be waged..
Obama can be elected and he can name Louis fucking Farrakhan and Jeremiah Wright to the SCOTUS, if the Congress doesn’t approve it, it ain’t gonna happen…
God I hope this point is not escaping you… The president can’t do a damned thing that the Congress doesn’t LET him do, and WE are the Congress.. WE ARE… And if you guys out there in Cali don’t have Conservative Reps in the Senate and House, there is NOTHING I can do for you, I have John Cornyn and Kay Bailey Hutchison in the Senate and Sam Johnson in the House, Conservative Republicans one and all…
We’re fighting amongst ourselves over a basically insignificant issue, Obama can destroy this nation with a House and Senate on HIS side… McCain can too, once his TRUE self comes back out.. And I did say BACK out..
McCain-Kennedy
McCain-Feingold
Now, couple all that with the post HERE…
All I see is a wolf in a sheep suit, kinda like that recent Bigfoot thing…
The POTUS can ruin this nation if it were to be Obama and a Dem Senate and House, but who does McCain align with more often than not?? The Dems…
Little Red didn’t fall for the Granny suit, I hope you guys don’t either… We’re all getting heated up over something that is already in the books, we don’t have a lot of bearing on the POTUS race, if we did Hillary would be running against someone other than McCain, this election is a joke, the MSM has already bless the Obamessiah..
And I will ALWAYS curse him to hell, and in the next breath will be McCain…
And Rob, not trying to be mean or anything but here’s what YOU said:
http://texasfred.net/archives/965
@TexasFred… That’s cool you have a ton of time to go back through the archives and pick and choose what works for your argument.. Why not go back and check the ones that don’t? check that I have been far more anti-Obama than anti-McCain.
I am NOT happy with McCain either Fred, BUT now voting for anything other than the two running is throwing your vote away so you can say “I didnt vote for him”… selfish if you ask me. Pick a damn side and in the next election make sure we dont have to make a choice like this. I know I will do more during the prelims in 2012.
“McCain is not the one I want so I will throw a hissy fit and call everyone that votes for him a fake conservative and whaaa whaaa whaaa” been fucking listening to that far to damn long and I’m sick of it.
I stand by every damn thing I said, If you think I changed my position then you dont know me very well, if you call me hypocrite, back that shit up, if you want to call me a flip flopper, dont vote for me. Call me a fake conservitive because I believe the unborn have a right, because I want to keep my guns, because I think gay marriage is wrong, and because I don’t want criminals getting a slap on the wrist and walking free, and all those things will come up in the SCOTUS while the next pres. appoints as many as 2 judges? yeah ok.
You really are taking this WAY to personal man…
@TexasFred: I think WE are taking it personal. I think WE both see things as we see them and I think YOU AND I read personal in the writing… It is not a one way street Fred. There are two sides.
OK… The ALL CLEAR has been sounded… Rob and I have had a LONG talk and WE are OK, we always were, but there was a bit of a misunderstanding… That has been resolved, so, the folks that were rubbing there hands together in great anticipation can just kiss BOTH of our asses…
:dancinghappy:
I just love you guys! 😉
There were tears and snot, hugs and faux cheek-kisses.
Now get back to work, you two! The RIGHT need you both!
:hole:
BZ
I’ll be damned if that’s so…
These were some pretty good, uh… Wait… Yeah, faux cheek kisses, that’s the ticket… :greensmiles:
kisses and shit aside, can we get back to talking about the corrupting of our nation by career politicians? I don’t give a shit if Rob changes his mind ten, or even twenty times; his overall beliefs hold fast. Hell; maybe he should run for office.
Humph! I think they should BOTH run for office! At least a good chunk of peons out here in the real world could support them more than 50%…..closer to 98.1%! Perfect, we ain’t gonna get! :biggrin:
I’d for the Rob/Fred duo!!! :shootin:
Having regular folks in office, vice careerist politicians, would certainly be a breath of fresh air.
@Just John: Thanks JJ, But I think that Little Red Button marked NUKE would get a work out if I were in charge…Never give a redneck an easy way to solve a problem.
Problem: Iran wanting Nukes so they can Nuke Israel Solution Nuke Iran. Simple.
Problem: Islamic Radicals. Solution Nuke Mecca. Then anyone says anything Nuke them too.
See easy stuff aint it…..
Ok maybe I shouldn’t be in charge. :rollingeyes:
@TexasFred: Uh yeah I think we should agree.. From here on out no cheek kissing…not even faux cheek kissing should be discussed on A&P… LOL
I dunno Rob. Perhaps a little “glow” in the right vicinities would do wonders for the world at large.
Can I ride in the plane that drops the bombs? Can I huh? Oh, wait…can I press the button, or pull the lever that drops them? Can I post that shit on Youtube? That would be….LOL…da bomb! :rotflmao: