Class Warfare in full effect.
The more I listen to the democrats and their progressive allies the more I am disgusted. It’s not the political ideology of the Democrats that bugs me, it’s the envy and jealously.
There was time when Americans were driven to greatness by their own sweat. There was a time when Americans were expected to dream big and work to achieve that dream. What happened to that America?
I am not rich, I make less than 80k a year NOW. I didn’t come straight out of school making that salary. I had to work hard to get where I am. I would sure as hell like to make a lot more. I worked for as little as 15K a year when my first kid was born, I struggled, I caught fish out of ponds to feed us, I did odd jobs, I hung steel in February at 10 below zero temps, I dug ditches, I WORKED to climb the ladder although I didn’t get much passed the third step, I don’t want to pull the top rung down to make more.
I couldn’t give a rats ass if someone makes a trillion dollars a year as long as they are doing it legally, and I don’t give a damn if they don’t give to charity, or church or even spend it on their family. It’s their business.
I hold the rich American in high regard, I figure the vast majority of today’s wealthy Americans earned it by working hard and making the right decisions. I also know there are several Black, Latino and Asian wealthy, which means it’s possible for everyone.
I am in my late 40’s now and unless something miraculous happens I don’t plan on having an estate worth taxing after my death. I don’t expect to pay 70% of my income in federal taxes to pay for touchy feely programs our elected officials dream up. So the dog in this fight is not mine.
I would love to ask the Democrats who exactly are they fighting for?
They say the middle class, well I’m about as middle class (lower middle) as you get and I’m not a liberal. Most middle class folks are not Liberal Democrats despite what the media tells you. The poor are overwhelmingly Democrat. That alone should be a red flag to most.
I would also ask the Democrats to look at who is supporting them. IF that’s the America you want then you need to come out of your closet and announce your Communist party. I don’t think most Democrats think like Maxine Waters, Allan Grayson or Bernie Sanders.
Democrats, I ask you to look at the damage you are doing to this nation. You are setting battle lines based on income. You have demonized the wealthy to make your case for socialism, you have exploited the poor to continue to put federal dollars in your pockets. You are not helping the poor become middle class Americans, you are making the middle class poor and the upper class middle.
IF everyone moves down one notch, where do the poor go?
Middle class America considers themselves AMERICANS. They raise families, they fight our wars, they work for companies who pay a decent wage for a decent days work. They believe in working hard to achieve the American dream, not taking it from someone who has achieved it.
If you are part of the middle class that has been brainwashed by the media and the elitist left, I ask you too look hard at your life. Look at what you’ve accomplished to get to where you are and then look at the decisions you made that could have made your life better. IF you did all you could and the best you could do is middle class then I submit you did well in this life. Do you really want someone who did better because of their actions to pay more so you can have an additional buck or two in your pocket? Is that the American way?
I don’t want anything from anyone except a chance. When I’m unemployed I’d like for someone to see the value of my skills and experience and pay me for what I can offer. All I want from the Government is to enforce the laws of the land, protect my country and to make it possible to achieve riches within legal means. The Government doesn’t need to take from someone else on my behalf, I’ll be okay.
So when you Democrats say you are fighting for the middle class, know that you are lying. You are not fighting for the middle class, it just sounds better than the truth. The truth is you are fighting to keep the poor, poor and use the rich to subsidize your voting pool. But fighting for the middle class sounds better.
You want to fight for the middle class? Try this:
Make this nation a business friendly country, tax imports more than you subsidize exports. Make it cheaper to make products here than to ship them in. Bring manufacturing jobs back by taxing overseas companies for their imports. Secure our borders so labor will not be cheap and tax hikes will not be necessary every year to subsidize anchor babies education and health care. Give tax breaks to companies that hire people at a living wage and small businesses that do the same.
That would be a start.
23 Replies to “Class Warfare in full effect.”
Well said, Robert. I agree with your essay, but you may or may not be surprised to know that there are a lot of middle class people who despise the rich. For what it’s worth, I am not one of them, but I know some people who will point blank ask why a rich person needs so much money. They question why they should be allowed to have so much and I think they do because they are jealous. It shouldn’t be that way, but it is and they seem to be willing to stick it to those who have more then they do. That may be because they have bought into the propaganda that has been spread by the Democrats.
“There was time when Americans were driven to greatness by their own sweat. There was a time when Americans were expected to dream big and work to achieve that dream. What happened to that America?”
Your screed is long on rhetoric and generalizations, and short on facts. I think that you paint with a very broad and male-centric brush. It may surprise you to know that the America that you describe in the quotation above still exists. However, what happens when someone WANTS to work, but cannot FIND work because their jobs were offshored? What happens when a salary remains stagnant, but costs go up? What happens when the retirement account that theoretically could have enabled retirement next year now is diminished to the point where retirement is now impossible? Capitalism is wonderful, but it does not make sense that we should sell our executioner the rope that we will hang by. This is what we essentially did when our manufacturing capabilities went overseas.
No, Democrats are not asking for a handout, as you seem to think. They want opportunities and access to meaningful work. They want jobs. Women want the same salaries that men make working in the same position as they do. Affordable health care – is that too much to ask for? Affordable child care, so women can work? Affordable elderly care, so woman can work? An education system that actually teaches our children how to learn, rather than an educational system that teaches our children WHAT to learn so they can pass a standardized test?
Since you broached the topic of Socialism, do you know what Socialism really is? Did you drive to the grocery store today on a public road? Socialism! Did you watch as the Fire Department put out your neighbor’s hose fire? Socialism! Have you been to a Public Library recently? Probably not. The point is that if we are going to pay taxes, should we not at least receive something of benefit from these taxes. Not handouts, but a helping hand in hard times. If anyone is inflaming class warfare, it is the inept rhetoric those who perpetuate the myth of the exclusive roles of Conservatives as water carriers and Democratic water drinkers.
Democrats are for the middle class in the same way that a hungry wolf is for the sheep.
Posting contrary opinions would certainly be productive, wouldn’t it?
Christienne, First off, yes I do allow contrary opinions but your first comments here must be moderated. I have to approve them and I do work for a living and sometimes it takes a time to get to a PC…
On your long retort:
You ask about jobs being offshored: Why do you think that is? is it possible that the policies of Democrats have made work here so expensive that offshoring is the new way of business?
You mention socialism being roads and what-not…That’s just more liberal talking points. Nobody is saying NO TAXES, Our taxes for infrastructure, defense, even IMO SS are GOOD things, however to continue down that road with MORE AND MORE taxes is hurting the middle class not helping. Your liberal talking points were well thought out, however they fail the test of realization.
Affordable health care? Is that really the governments job? Isn’t the job of our government to ensure a fair market place for competition? Why would they be involved in your health? Please Lady, wake up this is not the way America is or was supposed to be. WE are supposed to take care of ourselves and each other. We don’t want the government involved in so much…
“WE are supposed to take care of ourselves and each other. We don’t want the government involved in so much…”
What about the people who can’t afford to and find themselves buried under piles of health care bills because their insurance won’t cover their surgery? Should the government leave them on the side of the road? Thin the herd?
I’m really shocked at how much of a bubble you seem to live in Robert.
“What about those that can’t take care of themselves?” Are you really serious? How did we take care of them prior to Government? Churches, faith based orgs. PEOPLE HELPING PEOPLE… Do you volunteer your time effort and cash to assist the needy? I did until the government decided they could do it better and it’s not worked out so well has it? IF people work hard for the American dream, there would be less poor not more.
You are shocked at the bubble I live in? I live in reality and I’ve seen the Governments “Programs” be abysmal failures. IF these programs are so great why is the lower class expanding and the middle class shrinking? Why is it that the poor and uneducated in the inner cities is so high while the urban and middle America’s is so low? I tell you why since your bubble of government is so strong… They take care of their own. Look at the disasters that have occurred in inner cities. How long till they returned? Look at the disasters in the urban areas of America and how much did the Government have to do to get them back? I rest my case.
“Isn’t the job of our government to ensure a fair market place for competition?”
Well, I suppose that if you are truly a free-market capitalist, the answer is “yes”. This is exactly what has lead to off-shoring – not so much the outrageous demands of trade unions but corporations that have long understood that they can increase shareholder equity if they remove the overhead of the American worker. Who exactly advocated for the North American Free Trade Agreement, and under whose Presidency was it implemented? Clinton, right?
However, this is not a policy that was instigated by mostly Democratic trade unions – look at who exactly is advocating these off-shore tax breaks, and it is the corporations.
But the tiger is chasing it’s tail as far as this discussion is going, isn’t it? I’ll admit, I have a lot of problems with Classical Liberalism too, especially concerning how it is become more of an academic exercise than anything else. As someone who grew up working class, had my first job at age 13 working in a bakery, I will always identify as working class. And Classical Liberalism has turned its back on the working class.
Look, let’s make a distinction of what we want but what we will get, shall we? In my view, in the future I see that communities will become more economically marginalized, excluded, living further outside the gated community that is called the upper class. I see the emergence of autonomous communities functioning in cash and barter economies apart from the mainstream economy. I see people squatting, urban homesteading if you will, in what were once manufacturing buildings. I see people growing their own food in an increasingly urbanized existence, off government radar. Yes, you will see your vision of people helping themselves come to reality soon enough, but at what cost?
The only question that those who live within the gated communities must answer is, “Is this sustainable?” I don’t care which Xanadu you live in, but eventually someone is going to need to take out the garbage.
Christienne, I don’t see us as disagreeing on a lot. But I notice you seem to side with the Government case of “It’s the Republicans causing the divide” I don’t agree with that.
I honestly believe the reason for off shoring our jobs had a lot to do with regulation, and taxation. The divide between imports and exports caused more damage to jobs than anything. NAFTA hurt but didn’t kill. IF the imports were held to the same standards as domestic there would be FREE TRADE. As of now it’s a failure.
I laid out some solutions at the end of my rant and honestly nobody can dispute that would start turning the tide.
You mention “Gated communities” That alone tells me you have an envy streak. I don’t want to live in any gated anything. I don’t care if some do. I don’t give a damn if someone owns 8 cars and two boats. I look at it as a target of success, some look at it like “They don’t need that much”… WHY?
That person behind the gate may have started in a bakery too? All I’m saying is jealousy is a very bad trait and it’s worse when policy is written within it.
It’s time for Americans to look at what is possible, and not look at those who have achieved it as the enemy. We can put pressure on those like Madoff and goldman sachs (Who by the way is sleeping with Obama) but the way to create jobs is not through government intervention it’s by governments removal of road blocks.
When our government over taxes and over regulates business they tend to move to a more business friendly locale. Unfortunantly that locale is usually overseas. Businesses are in business to make money, their stockholders demand it.
If our government could learn to live within their means, as we all have to, they would find that it is easier to keep businesses here and employing people.
Democrats want to take care of all of us, whether we want it or not, from cradle to grave. That is an expensive undertaking. Ask most of the European countries, they know from first hand experience. They also know it doesn’t work. At some point the wealthy get sick of footing the bill for everyone else and they leave. When they are gone and the bills remain, the middle class gets soaked. Income tax, vat tax, property tax, tax tax tax… Why bother working when you never get ahead and the government will take care of you anyway?
I will always take care of me and mine. I don’t want or need interference from the government. The farther they are from me the better…
Well stated Bob. And that is my point. Democrats seem to think they are helping by providing ALL, when the best help is to provide an atmosphere conducive to success through work ethic and education. The modern day Democrat is like a mother not willing to allow their kids to move out. It’s evident by the health care law they passed 26 yr old and still on parents HC?
The Europe system is crumbling and our elected officials are headed down the proven destructive path with blinders on.
Excellent post, Robert. Very well said!
Thanks Jo.
Robert,
Well written.
As for Christienne, I think she needs to open her eyes and face reality. I’ll address a couple of her points:
However, what happens when someone WANTS to work, but cannot FIND work because their jobs were offshored?
Contrary to popular belief, many jobs have not been offshored. Take IT for example, somebody has to wire and connect your office computer to the Internet and somebody has to fix your computer when its broken. The reason why many jobs have been offshored is because greedy politicians have decided to keep our outdated tax code so businesses have looked to greener pastures. However, many jobs are still available in the high-tech and medical fields so this “offshoring” claim falls flat. As society evolves, new jobs are created to fill gaps
What happens when a salary remains stagnant, but costs go up?
You mean, like when ethanol was required by the government and food prices rose as a result? Government policies, like all actions, have consequences. Christienne, you need to stop being a fool and start accepting some responsibility for your actions.
Affordable health care – is that too much to ask for? Affordable child care, so women can work? Affordable elderly care, so woman can work?
Once again, Christienne throws out more useless talking points. What does “affordable” mean? It means something that can be priced at a rate which almost everybody can purchase. However, the left (like Christienne) is never interested why health care is so expensive, it is simply because companies want to rake in profits. What a lie! Health care is so expensive for a variety of reasons, one of them being because of the high cost of medical malpractice insurance. Government-supplied healthcare will still be expensive, the cost will simply be transferred to the taxpayer. Medicare costs are spiraling out of control and Obama will follow the same path.
Unfortunately, Christienne is not interested in rational discussion which is why more Americans are suffering. Liberals like Christienne only care about themselves, to them its their feelings that are paramount.
I agree with you, Robert. I am lower middle-class myself (50K a year, 5 kids). We’re also a one income family, because I don’t want my kids in a daycare. It’s not the responsibility of others to raise my kids.
On the point of women not getting paid the same wage- it doesn’t fly. The latest studies all show that wages are adjusted for experience in the working world. I can not go out and command a salary that my husband can, simply because I haven’t worked outside the home in about 15 years. (I did some transcribing from my house for about 3) It’s a strawman argument, as is “affordable health care”. When you stop expecting the insurance company to pay for your doctor’s visit for a stuffy nose or a case of the sniffles, they’ll have more money and inclination to pay for the higher priced stuff, like experimental and risky surgeries.
I’m in a unique position. I have a family member who is one of those targeted specifically by the progressive tax. He has worked VERY hard to get where he is. He started out cleaning gutters. He bought his first piece of land when he was 10, by saving money from his paper route. Is he to be punished now for living the very American dream everyone else wants?
What about another family member? He has started a business right now with a man who is on the forefront of adult stem cell research. Fantastic things can come out of it-if he can keep his overhead low and regulation and taxes do not destroy the ability to MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT!!!! The researcher has already treated some of the family members for free-treatments that would normally be in the 10s of thousands.
All of this anecdotal “evidence” is to support the fact that class warfare is in effect, and the ones wielding this as a weapon are the democrats. Oh, and why is no one talking about the “rich” taxes going up by 3%, but those making what my husband does are going to see a 50% increase? (10 to 15= 50%.)
first off, anyone who wishes to experience government health care can come and live in Canada, where I live. The system is expensive, with long waiting lines to see specialtists or for surgry. For crisis events the response is generally good, but it is not when the issue is less immediate. As for costs, we have no idea as to what any event or item costs the province that we live in, at the end of the year we see what was spent as a total. There is no way to tell if your practicioner is over billing or not.
As for the view of class warfare as advocated by the democratic party, if you feel that is as it should be then leave America and come and reside in Canada and you will find that your dream is closer to reality. For a closer fit to your dteam, move to Europe and you can live in one of the worker paradises.
No system will ever be perfect and that is as it should be, for without the drive to make it better your life would stagnate and the world would not become a better place. Their are those who will say that the world is becoming a worse place to live and I say that those who make such statements have never spoke with their grandparents and listened as to how things where done in their time.
I am a believer in small government, laws and regulations written in basic English and evenly enforcedby a fair legal system. Taxes are essential and all should contribute in a way that is fair to all.
Thanks for the space
Welcome Larry, Dawn and Mike and thanks for your input.
The bottom line I think is this: We need to use the rich as targets for WHAT IS POSSIBLE not for destruction. The current position of these new wave demonrats seems to be “The rich need to be made poor so we can pay for the poor to remain poor”….I say that because after all the dollars and effort dumped into eradicating the poor issue, we have a larger poor class than ever before. We are paying people not to work and at the same time telling them the rich are to blame for their plight. WHAT?
Class WAR in full effect…Yep.
I fully understand the jealousy aspect. To be completely honest, the BIL that makes the money is kind of a prick-we see him at Christmas and that’s it. But, he’s entitled to do whatever he wants and act the way he wants. Just because I think he should be doing something with his money, and it’s not the way or what I would have done, doesn’t make it my money, or give me the right to tell him what to do with it. I have to keep reminding myself of that fact. Am I jealous? You betcha. But I’m intelligent enough to realize that it’s my own failing, and not his.
I like your writing style, Robert. I’ll add to this my blog read list.
Dawn, Funny how that is huh? Rich folks that I know are kind of pricks too… But you know what? I’ve found that the more money you make the more you spend. I went from making 20k a year to 60k in lest than a year and I thought I was rich. I spent like it too… pretty soon I was just as broke as when I made 20k but I had stuff… I climbed the ladder a bit since my youth and I’ve cleared the 6 figure mark a couple of times… I am wiser but still not too bright HA!
I just wish folks would take a second look at what they are saying about the rich folks. Those making millions are paying a LOT of money in taxes, they are shouldering a huge burden and they are demonized for not doing more rather than people saying “Hey if I made that much I’d do better than them with my money”
Thank you for adding me to your list, I try to put something up every day but I work for a living. Nice to meet you.
I’m sick of this class warfare nonsense.
Libs complain about frills like yachts or learjets but people make their living out of those frills. Somebody has to build and fix them. Skilled people are needed to pilot them. Entire industries have been built to support them.
Libs are extremely pessimistic, they see evil in practically everything. They don’t care what jobs they destroy, their feelings are more important.
Larry, Absolutely right. The libs see those items as too much and they should be given to those less fortunate… Well unless it’s them that own the stuff then it’s okay… Kind of like the “Green” movement. Everyone needs to conserve and not use gas and yada yada.. All their hero’s own jets fly all over the world, live in mansions that suck up electricity like Paris Hilton Sucks up coke. Forget the class envy shit and try to make it on your own..
“However, what happens when someone WANTS to work, but cannot FIND work because their jobs were offshored?”
-Christienne
Easy, Christienne, you just make your own.
Yeah, I did it, and you can too.
I worked for a stingy grubby, numbers crunching company that treated employees like numbers. So, I quit them and started my own company with a good friend.
My customers wanted me to service their systems, not the company name on the shirt I wore.
My skills were in demand, and I still can’t believe people pay the fees they do for me to come out. But, I give them my best, and they keep calling me back out despite the bills I send them.
I now make the money I thought I was worth. I can take all the vacation time I want. And guess what, I pay for my own insurance with money I make.
You see, Christienne, this is why you socialists fail. You cannot rely on yourself to do anything. You see yourself as not being able to achieve anything.
And.. you’re wrong. You said you worked in a bakery. Then…START YOUR OWN!! People pay good money for good bread, doughnuts, eclairs, and pastries. Heck, I do too! The better the quality, the more the demand. I know this to be true. My wife works weekends in a Japanese bakery, and her bosses banks in the cash despite the long hours they work.
This is America, Christienne. Learn a skill and be the best at it. Start your own business, and become the fat cats you envy.
…and please break away from your “working class” attitude.
Well said Sgt Bazz! I work for a money grubbin large company been with them for over 23 years. I got a good pension and I’m not union, I would love to start my own company doing something but I aint that bright. I am just a workin stiff that will probably “WTD” (Work till death) All I can hope is I have instilled the desire to do better than I in my kids. IF they do that my life has been well lived. My boys do not subscribe to the liberal mentality I have made sure of that. They know the value of hard work and the effort it takes to succeed. They ask nobody for nothing if they cant get it on their own. We are country boys at heart…
Thanks Sgt for your comment.