Tag: Graffiti

Typical Kalifornia…

Typical Kalifornia…

Instead of prosecuting and actually PUNISHING these idiots, Los Angeles is going to punish homeowners.

Anti-Graffiti Plan Raises Stakes for Homeowners

Looking to prevent your home from becoming a tagger’s canvas? The city of LA has a plan that asks homeowners to pitch in or pay — whether they want to or not.

All new buildings in Los Angeles — including homes — must have anti-graffiti coating under an ordinance approved unanimously by the City Council on Tuesday. Homes in the tagThere is an exception if the owners promise to remove any graffiti on their property soon after it appears.

The ordinance will take effect 30 days after being signed by the mayor.

The anti-graffiti coating must cover the walls and doors from the ground to a height of at least nine feet. The coating is mandated on all buildings, unless owners sign a “Covenant and Agreement Regarding Maintenance of Building (Graffiti Removal)” with the Los Angeles Department of Building and Safety.

Now this is a problem near and dear to my heart. I’ve been involved with my local PD, the City Council, the School board and community neighborhood watch. We have put a serious dent in the graffiti in our area, it’s not gone but there are many more days where you see NONE, than days where you see it. We did it and continue to do it by making a few simple changes to the law and by patrolling the area regularly as well as quick removal when it happens. What we don’t do is make the business/homeowner the bad guy….

What we did was in the city limits an arrested graffiti vandal’s parents get the bill for any and all vandalism he commits….This has been as large 15k, it has also resulted in a couple of deportations of illegal immigrants. When the PD come knocking on a door of a vandal they come with a warrant, often they find practice canvases in and around the house that match the vandals tags. This makes prosecution a snap. The city offers a reward for the arrest of these morons and my wife and I have put a couple hundred bucks in our pockets catching them.

We take pictures and catalog “Tags” and gang symbols….Then we either paint it over or sand blast it off.. The city has made it a priority to have it removed within 24 hours, and locally we carry spray paint and camera’s… We take a pic and paint it over immediately. The tagger/gangmember never gets to see his work…They generally move somewhere else less aggressive.

See I love to hunt, and since deer and pig hunting are somewhat seasonal, taggers and gangbangers are open season all year and I don’t have to buy a permit. Yes Fred, I’m better at catching these idiots than killin river bottom hogs, the hogs are smarter….Anyway… :rollingeyes:

What the city of LA is doing is basically a tax hike for homeowners, they are giving up trying to catch the morons with paint and are going to punish the very people that bring revenue into the city….Smart huh? If I was a home builder in LA, I’d move. IF I was going to buy a home, it sure as hell wouldn’t be LA.

Antonio Villiargosa is a typical libturd politician, he is an elitist, he is a tax and spend liberal and it’s killing the city. The city is slum anyway and as long as they can keep giving everything to the welfare slugs, and the illegal aliens they will have an ample supply of DEMOCRAT voters and thereby solidifying the end of a great state…

Getting tough on Grafitti.. well sort of.

Getting tough on Grafitti.. well sort of.

The cost of getting caught doing graffiti is going up next year.


Wall art by Moron hoodrat
Wall art by Moron hoodrat

Anyone convicted of vandalism for graffiti causing $400 or more in damage will have to clean up the property and keep it tidy for up to a year under a law that will go into effect in January.

The cleanup penalty must be imposed by judges under the new law, according to spokeswoman Rachel Cameron with Gov. Schwarzenegger’s office. Currently, the law leaves this aspect of a sentence to the judge’s discretion.

The new law is not perfect but it does give judges the ability to make the right calls, Riverside County Superior Court Judge Mark Cope said.

When the defendant is a minor, the parents can be ordered to clean up their child’s mess unless it would be too burdensome for the family because of child care or economic concerns, according to the law.

“In the right case, I think it’s great when young people are held accountable,” said Cope, who handles juvenile matters at the Southwest Justice Center in French Valley.

As for the provision that holds parents accountable for their children’s actions, he said, it would only be practical in cases where minors are vandalizing their own neighborhood.

“It allows them to have a sense of responsibility for their community,” Cope said.

Two county probation officials said they will work with the victims and the judges on a case-by-case basis when the cleanup provision is ordered.

“The judge would have to take into consideration the victim, because I don’t know how many people are going to want this kid and his parents on their property cleaning up graffiti,” said Bryce Hulstrom, assistant director of the Riverside County Probation Department’s juvenile services division

Hulstrom and Beth Stevens, director of Adult Probation Services, said they expect judges in Riverside County to impose the community service penalty, also provided under the new law, more often than the cleanup penalty.

Most graffiti crimes are committed by people with gang ties, and having someone clean up graffiti left by a rival gang member could have deadly consequences, said Stevens, whose agency will handle the bulk of these cases.

“We are already hesitant with having juveniles do graffiti cleanup because it can be dangerous,” she said. “They can be targeted by other gang members.”

It makes more sense to have someone trained in graffiti removal to immediately fix the damaged property instead of waiting more than a month for someone’s case to be resolved, Stevens said.

Hulstrom said if a judge orders a defendant to keep a wall clean for a year, the Probation Department will set up a monitoring program.

Some cities and county agencies have invested time and much money into removing those unsightly letters and words scribbled on bridges, walls and signs.

The San Bernardino County Board of Supervisors has allocated $500,000 for a countywide graffiti-abatement program, said Randy Rogers, code enforcement chief for the county. The county has crews of contractors who daily search for graffiti. There are four graffiti teams and most of the time there are two people per team, he said.

Riverside has committed $1 million to fighting graffiti while the county has a mobile graffiti-eradication team of eight employees.

In 2007, Riverside received 21,200 calls complaining about graffiti while the Riverside Police Department made 270 arrests in connection with graffiti vandalism that year.

The Riverside County Economic Development Agency’s graffiti-removal program in 2007 got 6,611 calls in the unincorporated areas and cleaned almost 701,000 square-feet of defaced property, spokesman Tom Freeman said.

The Riverside County district attorney’s office filed 890 misdemeanor and felony vandalism charges in 2006, 1,231 in 2007 and 889 charges by August 2008, according to data provided by spokesman Ryan Hightower.

Graffiti’s grip on a community extends far beyond the immediate neighborhood.

“The reality is that it’s a blight,” Rogers, the San Bernardino County code enforcement chief, said. “It also lowers property values significantly. It’s the first thing you see when you drive into a neighborhood.”

Riverside County is trying to attract new homebuyers and businesses to the area and graffiti is a detractor, Freeman said. It gives the impression that the area has a high crime rate, he said.

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This is step in the right direction, it is NOT as tough as I would have liked, but it’s moving the right way. The part that bothers me is this “We are already hesitant with having juveniles do graffiti cleanup because it can be dangerous,” she said. “They can be targeted by other gang members.”

IF a kid gets killed cleaning up graffiti because he did it, it will be the judges fault according to the lawyers. As always the blame will be deflected away from the truth, the truth is the graffiti perpetrator (AKA Idiot) is responsible and should be held as such. AND so are the parents of “REPEAT” offenders, by repeat I mean doing it more than once, not being caught more than once. If the “IDIOT” is found to have caused more than $400.00 dollars of damage, his tag most likely was found on more than one place.

I was involved in a lot of the discussions about ways to curtail this crime, and for those of you thinking it is a minor crime, a victimless crime, or not a crime at all. I ask you to think about the money spent cleaning it up, then look at where the money could be better spent? Like child care for mothers trying to get out of the poverty level, and MANY other community funded areas.

We are not going to stop fighting it, we are not going to allow it to continue, so while IDIOTS are painting things that don’t belong to them, they should know they are taking help away from their “Familia”

I do like that we are going to hold the parents responsible (At least on paper) I will be interested to see if it actually holds up. This article in the Press Enterprise is in very large print on the FRONT page of the local section. It is in Spanish on “la Opinion” and English in several local newspapers.

The word is getting out. Took long enough but FINALLY some teeth in a graffiti law.

Graffiti, Vandalism, Gangs or Art

Graffiti, Vandalism, Gangs or Art

Recently we discussed graffiti, more specifically the up tick in violence between taggers, and gang-bangers versus citizens that are reporting their actions.

I had the honor of entertaining some comments on the “Artists” side of the issue:
Here are a couple of examples:

Chris (no Blog URL) says;
I completely agree with the fact that gangs cause problems and should be rid of BUT, graffiti is an art, and it seems like the criminals (violent ones) committing more than simple vandalism, are fully involved in gangs and are not “tagging” for the sake of art or beauty, but tagging to protect the turf. Graffiti artists or vandals, and gang members marking their area are two completely different things. It is like comparing marijuana to heroin, yea they are both illegal but marijuana is pretty much harmless (graffiti) and heroin is dangerous, addictive, and ruins our society (gang graffiti/activity).

All I am saying is don’t forget to distinguish artists from pure gang members and criminals out there spraying their shitty bullshit all over the place.

Hammer Time (no Blog URL) says
this is pathetic, did anyone notice the fact that they almost all had something to do with gangs?

gangs and people who write graffiti, are two totally different things…

and why is everyone so scared of colorful walls?

Facedorateur (no Blog URL) says:

Not to be a bitch, but 3 deaths due to graffiti GANGS seems ok compared to the 4000 american soldiers that died in Irak and Afghanistan, or the millions of children that dies everyday in africa. A graffiti writer alone is less likely to attack someone, he will maybe have a weapon, but in any case he will not even try to use it and run away. Dont be affraid of the lonewolfes. But the gangs, they are dangerous because they are in numbers, 5 guys are better at kicking someones butt than only 1. + graffiti is a peaceful crime and it adds a little color and artistic taste in our grey cities. And if you compare it to drug gangs, you will realize its not that bad.

David (no Blog URL)says:

If I lived in LA and I knew which neighbourhood you were in I would go crush it tonight.
If you put your foot on top of my throat and I was completely defenceless, and I had no idea that you we’re going to attack me, you basically just attacked me.
And if you did put your foot on my throat, I would think that you were going to kill me and choke me to death and I would probably shoot your fucking brain out.
You’re saying that the parents are responsible for kids tagging? dude are you dumb or something? its not like the parents are putting spraycans in the childrens hand and saying ‘go paint graffiti’ or not even like they have there eyes closed.. Also most of the people that are probably shown in the article that took voilent action were probably over 21 so they’re parents have no control over them anyways.
I hate you with a fucking passion and if I’m ever in LA remind me to fucking do a big ass graffiti tag on your garage while you’re dressed like a clown with hunting gear on in the bushes.

The one from David was by far the funniest, IF he ever even thought about coming to my hood he would break out in a sweat.. IF I had my foot on his throat, I would be ready to kill him if necessary, any movement that threatened my well being at that point would be met with a mind bending flurry of lead and David moving toward the light.


I see nothing artistic about that, I don’t think any of the property owners appreciate it, I really don’t appreciate that shit on electrical/cable or phone boxes.

I think all these idiots that write on PUBLIC or PERSONAL property that they do not own, should have to pay for it, if they have no way to pay, make the parents pay and make the kids spend weekends cleaning graffiti.
The approach our PD is taking is PARENTS will be paying up to 10k for graffiti clean up if their kids are caught.
If a juvenile is apprehended in the act or has been named as a suspect a warrant can be issued and served to search the home of the kid, if materials/evidence of vandalism/tagging are in the home the parents are cited and will be fined up to 15k for damages. IF the parents are ILLEGALLY in this Country, it can lead to deportation proceedings.

One of the first things someone should ask themselves is: IF this is art, and an expression of my feelings, why am I doing it in the shadows? Why am I scared of getting caught? Why is this big ass redneck standing on my neck?

Art my ass, this is a crime and should be treated as such, it should be investigated when found on public property and prosecuted in a very harsh manner. I think the laws are too soft, but they are getting harder.

And for those that say “There is nothing for the kids to do”….

This is a brand new 2 million dollar building in a public park:


Its a “FOR THE KIDS” Building, look closely next to drain pipe to see the evidence of gratitude. The building is in the heart of a known gang infested area. It was made possible by donations and funding from taxpayers.

The building has a Indoor Basketball court, boxing ring, gym, all kinds of inside games, and activities. The guy that runs this park is a friend of mine, I have known him for over 20 years, he is a strong leader in the community and if you ask him, he’ll tell you it’s as much the parents fault for allowing our community to fall into this state as everyone those parents like to blame.

What we need is not more buildings for the kids to go to, we need PARENTS to actually PARENT! and the excuse box is full. NO MORE EXCUSES! Get your kids in check.