Grafitti Vandals Getting Violent?

Grafitti Vandals Getting Violent?

Gangbangers and Taggers turning violent, say it isn’t so? /Sarcasm

One man got stabbed. Another got shot in the chest. A 6-year-old boy was temporarily blinded when he was spray-painted in the face.

And they were the lucky ones among those who have had run-ins with graffiti “crews,” or gangs.

Over the past 2 1/2 years in Southern California, three people have been killed after trying to stop graffiti vandals in the act. A fourth died after being shot while watching a confrontation between crews in a park.

“We have seen a marked increase in these graffiti-tagging gangs taking to weapons and fighting to protect their walls, their territory, their name,” said Los Angeles County sheriff’s Lt. Robert Rifkin.

Los Angeles County has battled graffiti for decades, spending $30 million a year to paint over or clean up the emblems, names and other images spray-painted on stores, concrete-lined riverbeds, rail lines, phone booths, buses, even police cars. On Wednesday, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a law requiring convicted graffiti vandals to remove their scrawl.

For some taggers, protecting their work is akin to defending their names and their honor.

“If we see someone calling the police, then we target them,” said Mario Garcia, 20, who describes himself as a former tagger trying to become a professional artist. “You are trying to stop me from what I live, what I believe in and what I breathe? We are not going to let no one get in the way.”

Oh and lets take a look at the perpetrators and the victims of the vandals:

In an attack last month, two youths spray-painted the face and body of the 6-year-old boy who spotted them scribbling gang signs on a wall near Compton. The boy recovered from chemical burns to his eyes.

On the same day, a 51-year-old auto mechanic was shot in the chest in Los Angeles when he confronted two suspected gang members painting the wall of his shop.

Another man, Michael Lartundo, 26, was stabbed in the hand and arm after yelling at a group of graffiti vandals scrawling on a wall in March behind his brother’s house in suburban Whittier.

“I just told them it ain’t right,” Lartundo recalled. “I said, ‘If you are going to write on the wall, write on your own wall.'”

The most recent attack occurred July 15, when a 16-year-old boy was shot and killed after rival graffiti crews converged on a Los Angeles park for a fight. The victim was in a crowd of onlookers. (This was a typical shooting into a crowd crime, that area gangs are known for)

Last August, Maria Hicks, 58, was shot in the head and died after flashing her headlights and honking at a teenager spray-painting a wall near her home in Pico Rivera, a blue-collar suburb east of Los Angeles. Four people have been charged with murder.

Ten days after Hicks died, Seutatia Tausili, 65, was fatally shot and her grandson wounded when he told taggers to stop vandalizing a trash can outside their home in Hesperia in San Bernardino County. Three men were charged with murder.

Robert Whitehead was shot to death in 2006 in the Los Angeles County area of Valinda when he tried to keep taggers from marking a neighbor’s garage. Investigators arrested one man with alleged ties to the Mexican Mafia, a prison gang.
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We see this graffiti shit all over the place in my area, We as a community are trying to keep it at a minimum by calling the police when we see something.I go the extra mile and so do several other community members.

I ride around my neighborhood late at night, I walk my neighborhood all hours of the day, I know my neighbors and I know where the trouble is coming from. I also know that when I confront the vandals, I do it with my safety at the forefront of my thoughts. (You be the judge of what that means.)
I have personally been responsible for 8 arrests in my area related to vandals/Burglary and theft and I don’t plan on stopping because of this report. I will not allow these thugs to run my hood, I run my hood, and I do it with the full co-operation of law enforcement I do it with folks that get involved and I do it with out fear because I fear no man on earth, I am old enough and wise enough that I am confident of my abilities and my preparation when I patrol my hood. I use very good judgment when I am out at night. I ASSESS the situation carefully, and I call the police FIRST, I follow, I watch, and I inform the dispatch operator EXACTLY what is going on where I am what I am wearing and  what is going to happen if I get to where the vandals are before the cops do. AND I have only beat the cops there one time, since then they have been johnny on the spot.

This is not a war zone, there are GOOD folks here, the problem is the influx of assholes from LA/Pomona/OC as well as those that grew up here with gang ties. The problem is back to the parents, I don’t give a damn if they are poor, can’t afford to give their kids whatever, there are many programs for kids they chose to be vandals or gangbangers and they end up in prison or dead it is the parents fault. Our liberal laws in Cali our prison system and border policies are directly responsible for the continuing problem in our nation, this is not just a Los Angeles problem.

I think as long as the media, police and our culture is inclined to be afraid rather than fight for what’s right we will continue to see this type of activity. The media is enabling the “Violent vandals” IMO, the reason is simple: You very rarely see a report that praises the efforts of the community or persons responsible for catching  “Taggers” or “Gangbangers”

I personally think once a gang has been ID’d and has more than 10 members, it should be handled by a military entity, rather than the local PD. Their members should be placed under surveilance and at the first crime, be incarserated at Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s place.
The issues of gangs needs to be addressed and with the funding the police get, the budget cuts and the society that allows criminals free reign, it is time for us able bodied individuals to stand up and shoot back so to speak. Unfortunately the laws are set up to benefit the criminal rather than society.

I have as much right not to look at someones “tag” as they have to put it on property that TAX PAYERS (of which I am one) pay for. The parents of MOST of these “taggers” or “Gangbangers”are being handed fines from between 5 and 10 thousand dollars when they are caught, BUT if they are unable to pay because they are on state assistance then what? NOTHING, its a damn slap in the face, the kid gets minimum time at which he meets more idiots like him and NOTHING changes.

The problem as I see it, is OUR laws. It’s the fact that these morons get street cred when caught, but that’s it, the parents don’t suffer, the kids don’t suffer everyone feels good about the arrest but there is NO fear of getting caught again. I would like to see the parents serve a day in jail for every 10 bucks in damage their kid caused. Then I bet we’d get some kids with a different outlook.

I feel sorry for the victims of the “taggers” and “Gangbangers” and they should be held up as fallen hero’s because they stood for something. The media portrays them as the ones at fault. THAT’S WRONG!

29 Replies to “Grafitti Vandals Getting Violent?”

  1. Ya know, not trying to denigrate the Dickless one but these are the exact people he tries to defend, the POOR and misguided that only want a share of *The American Dream*…

    Sadly, what they really want is their own turf, their own little fiefdoms with death being the penalty for ANYONE they consider to be an interloper…

    Yeah, defend THAT Dickless…

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  2. It seems like this is cyclical to me. I remember gang signs on walls in Oceanside forty years ago. Then, a big crack down happens and it fades away for a time. Then repeat…

    Same thing now days here in Denver. With the DNC just a few short weeks away things are getting spruced up nicely. Give it a week after the convention ends and things will be back to normal.

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  3. I am believing more and more that vigilante’s need to be in control. I have zero empathy from some a-hole that says you can’t stop him from expressing his *art*. These p.o.s have drawn a line in the sand that they know good and decent people are afraid to cross it. Not me. I’d put them in a damn wheelchair for life….cause if I say *kill ’em dead, people think I’m evil. By the way, how and when did people that abide by the rules become the evil and hated ones…strange, huh ?

  4. @TexasFred: You can denigrate the dickhead all you want, I am done playing nice with the prick.

    You are exactly correct about the turf thing, they write to stake out their area, to let others know it’s their “turf” I remove it, I paint it over in broad daylight, to let them know ITS MY TURF!

  5. @Patrick Sperry: It isn’t too much cyclical here Pat, its an every day issue. These morons think if they write on shit, they prove how tough they are…
    I caught one late at night not too long ago, I was camo’d out in my hunting gear, in an overlook staking out an electrical box that had been tagged a lot.. I came out from his side, put his ass into the box and had my foot firmly on his neck when the officers showed up, he never even saw me. The guy pissed his pants bro, literally peed his drawers… He stood up when the cops got there and he had a wet spot…The cops were laughing, I was laughing a good time was had by all, well except the kid, he was 19 yrs old recently released from county for vandalism.

  6. I’m sorry, but Copdom has soured me. I am the wrong hue to reflect the future of my state. If I were to do what is “right” and not necessarily what is “lawful” coupled with the most extreme of political correctness, I myself would be subject to jail and/or suit. I’ve worked too long and too hard to get me and my family to the comfort level we enjoy today. There is a reason I live two counties away from where I work. The commute STILL does not bother me, for I know what awaits me at home. My Sacramento mean streets are for the new Young Guns and it is the next generation to which I have handed my mantle by way of my training, education and experience. It is why I no longer work the streets but instead work in training, where I can hand down to the Young Guns a sense of place, time and institutional memory. The cops I train don’t look much like me anymore and, in this state, that’s a good thing. We wash out WAY more recruits than we ever have before and my agency, as well as every other agency in the state, they are hurting for qualified candidates. But when we get them, and train them, and can keep them, I am glad to have a hand in shaping their values, ethics, morals and ensuring their safety and proficiency.

    The overall sad thing, at least with my department: there are fewer available cops per district on the street than when I was an FTO in the early 90s. I saw the writing on the wall; I got off the streets, went to Detectives for a number of years and then promoted.

    A rambling comment, yes, but the point is this: we have to hit bottom before we can make the societal climb back up. And trust me when I tell you we are a distance from the bottom, at least in Fornicalia.

    BZ

  7. @Bloviating Zeppelin: Well my friend I do appreciate what you have done and are doing, tho it seems to me an exercise in futility…Until our system actually deals with the criminals/gangs taggers in way that works, such as harder time, less association with those like them in incarceration and more time working to clean up the stuff they do.

    All I hear from the “Community” leaders around here (Hispanics Blacks and Whites) is there is nothing being offered to keep the kids out of trouble, I call BULLSHIT, we didn’t have HALF the shit the kids now days have, and MOST of us didn’t paint on walls or rob people or kill folks..its another damn excuse.

  8. Unfortunately, it IS an excuse but — after all — what we’re dealing with now is children bearing and “raising” children. I’ve said for years: in order to get a grip on society, we’re going to have to abandon one generation and concentrate solely on another. We’ll either have to abandon the parents and concentrate on the children, or the other way around. We can’t do both; there aren’t sufficient resources, money or people.

    BZ

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  9. @Bloviating Zeppelin: No resources is only part of it, if we had not allowed so much of a drain on the resources we might have the ability to do more.. but that’s the liberal mentality BZ, very little forward thinking, a lot of complaining, and no action. Sounds like Cali Politics to me.

  10. Just got this from Tyler Durden:
    (his email is obviously a joke- suckingobamaforabuck@imamoron.com? )

    your a fucking idiot. you sound like your retarded.
    but most of what you said made me laugh.
    so keep up the shitty work.
    or i guess this is how you say good job
    DUURRRRRR

    So I guess this is one of the fucknozzles that appreciates a good graffiti tag on a public wall? or is one of the wonderful honor roll students compton or South LA puts out? don’t know don’t care, do know that Tyler Durgin is a tool, an obvious libtard with homosexual tendencies.

  11. I completely agree with the fact that gangs cause problems and should be rid of BUT, graffiti is an art, and it seems like the criminals (violent ones ) committing more than simple vandalism, are fully envolved in gangs and are not “tagging” for the sake of art or beauty, but tagging to protect the turf. Graffiti artists or vandals, and gang members marking their area are two completely different things. It is like comparing marijuana to heroin, yea they are both illegal but marjuana is pretty much harmless (graffiti) and heroin is dangerous, addictive, and ruins our society (gang graffiti/activity).

    All I am saying is don’t forget to distinguish artists from pure gang members and criminals out there spraying their shitty bullshit all over the place.

  12. Well Robert what can I say? A Co-Workers uncle caught a tagger in the act at the boxing gym that he worked at, and used the jerks spray paint on the tagger. Justice? No, he got six months in jail. The gym, and the WW2 Memorial next to it have not been tagged since. That is the torpedo and the building next to it in Sloan Lake Park, just north of St. Anthony Central Hospital, for those familiar with Denver.

    Another guy got a pretty stern “warning” for selling 12 gauge Rock Salt loads at a local gun show. He advertised them as non lethal loads for chasing off stray dogs, taggers etc…

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  13. @Chris:I really appreciate good murals, I appreciate your view of the issue Really I do. BUT when an “Artist” displays his ability on property that he doesn’t own or has permission to do it, it is dead wrong. The graffiti I am talking about is more the “OL English” type writing the gangbanger name or tag crew name on electrical boxes, walls poles and signs that piss me off.

    I have yet to see any “ART” around here that made me go “WOW thats cool” in LA I saw a mural once it was like an ode to gangbangers past, and it was done well but the message was stupid, it tells the youngsters that it’s cool to go out in a blaze of gang bullets.. Not good for society not productive for individuals.

    Thanks for your comment but I think you miss the point of the post.

  14. @Patrick Sperry: The cops have warned me too Pat, they told me I was risking a law suit, or possibly being arrested if I went to far… SO I went to the city council meetings, I went to meet the Mayor, I went to meet the Lt of the local PD and I have been very vocal about the problem with the folks that will be in charge of locking me up. They know me, they have been very supportive of my actions and so far I have not crossed the line. The most important thing we can do as civilians is no where the lines are and if we dont like them, we need to fight to get them adjusted.

    Painting a tagger with his own spray can would in my area be crossing the line, unless it was provable that he assaulted you in the process of apprehension….there are some “Lines” that are a bit blurry.

  15. this is pathetic, did anyone notice the fact that they almost all had something to do with gangs?

    gangs and people who write graffiti, are two totally different things…

    and why is everyone so scared of colorful walls?

  16. @Hammer_time: No one is scared of anything here Hammer, colorful walls at owners permission is called a JOB, if it’s done without consent it is a CRIME. IF you made the most beautiful mural ever and it was on a wall that the owner didnt want painted, it is VANDALISM. It is not your right to paint a wall because you think it would look good. IF you think it would look good and it should be done, ASK first… you actually might get an OK, but if you don’t move on to somewhere that will allow it.

    The issue is not artistic expression, it is an invasion of personal property it is the right of a homeowner or business to have their walls or property free of that expression since they paid for it.
    I understand your “urge” to express yourself, try learning to build a wall, then you can paint your own stuff.

  17. Not to be a bitch, but 3 deaths due to graffiti GANGS seems ok compared to the 4000 american soldiers that died in Irak and Afghanistan, or the millions of children that dies everyday in africa. A graffiti writer alone is less likely to attack someone, he will maybe have a weapon, but in any case he will not even try to use it and run away. Dont be affraid of the lonewolfes. But the gangs, they are dangerous because they are in numbers, 5 guys are better at kicking someones butt than only 1. + graffiti is a peaceful crime and it adds a little color and artistic taste in our grey cities. And if you compare it to drug gangs, you will realize its not that bad.

  18. If I lived in LA and I knew which neighbourhood you were in I would go crush it tonight.
    If you put your foot on top of my throat and I was completely defenceless, and I had no idea that you we’re going to attack me, you basically just attacked me.
    And if you did put your foot on my throat, I would think that you were going to kill me and choke me to death and I would probably shoot your fucking brain out.
    You’re saying that the parents are responsible for kids tagging? dude are you dumb or something? its not like the parents are putting spraycans in the childrens hand and saying ‘go paint graffiti’ or not even like they have there eyes closed.. Also most of the people that are probably shown in the article that took voilent action were probably over 21 so they’re parents have no control over them anyways.
    I hate you with a fucking passion and if I’m ever in LA remind me to fucking do a big ass graffiti tag on your garage while you’re dressed like a clown with hunting gear on in the bushes.

  19. @David: If you lived in my hood I’d already have owned your dumbass. IF the folks that are tagging are over 21, then I suggest a chain gang in which they be tied to one another and go around a clean off the bullshit tags from public and private property. If they are under 18 they are the parents responsibility, I have two kids, either one of which would stomp a mudhole in your ignorant ass, they never joined a gang, they never tagged a thing because they were brought up to respect other folks property, unlike you parasites that think everything belongs to you…
    BTW I live in Riverside California, AND If you even stepped foot on my property to tag or whatever, you would not live to see a judge.. You might not understand so let me elaborate:
    You show up to vandalize my property, My dogs let me know about it, the camera on the corner records it and I come out and beat your ass so bad your your crack head mom wont recognize you. CLEAR NOW fucknozzle?

  20. Chris, Sorry man, I deleted your comment by accident.. please re-post if you can it was actually a decent question.

    I read it and I was getting ready to respond and hit the wrong damn button.
    I think the jist of it was you were making the difference between violent gang member taggers and just artist….

    My response is the same, if it is ok with the community it is ok with me. IF it done without questions if it is done without permission it is a crime and IMO it is worthy of an ass whooping. Not life in prison or anything but a good ol fashioned ass kicking. followed by some community service cleaning it off the affected walls.

  21. @Facedorateur: IF you are comparing the two you not only are a bitch but an ignorant one.
    The difference is 4000 men and women died protecting your right to be as vocal as you are with your opinions. Whether they did it in a just war or a just cause now is not the issue, the issue is what they signed up to do they are doing… They were sent to do by an elected leader, taggers and gangbangers do it because they NEED leaders.

    You are correct about the numbers thing 1 one 1 they run, 5 on 1 they are very brave.. That’s why I always have at least two clips… I am not that good of shot anymore.. LOL

    Grafitti is a peaceful crime???? WTF? That’s what folks think, they are wrong. It is an intrusion to MY right to not to have to look at that shit and it cost me as a TAX PAYER money, it takes resources away from parasites.. oops I mean state aid services. So tagging is costing those like you to lose freebies??? how do you like tagging now?

  22. Robert: isn’t it interesting that David, Facedorateur, HammerTime and Chris all fail to distinguish the difference between property that belongs to THEM and property that belongs to others. Clearly, the result of recent mass public school education as they come from the camp that thinks “what’s mine is mine and what’s YOURS is mine and you lack the right to protect it or object to its desecration by ME.” More of the persons from the generation bereft of common sense, consideration, respect for others. Products OF, however, the falsehood that the world revolves around them, doing what one “feels” is proper, “no one can tell me NO,” “no one has authority over me” and “my esteem and what I WANT trumps all else.”

    Property rights, possession of property, hard work to acquire same, respect for other people, these are, grandly, topics and concepts not beyond rational and standard human ken but, clearly, beyond THEIRS.

    BZ

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  23. @Bloviating Zeppelin: Yeah I do BZ, the folks that honestly believe they have the right to mark on/destroy or otherwise deface public or private property because “they are expressing themselves” are going to run into someone like me who equally believes in “Self-Expression” or yourself who actually has a JOB arresting fucknozzles such as the taggers mentioned in the post.

    These idiots have to ask themselves one question:
    Can I do this in the middle of the day and not worry about who sees me do it? if you have to sneak around to do it, it probably is ILLEGAL, and could get your ass kicked too.

    I go around my hood in broad daylight with a spray can, when I see a tag, I splotch it out.. I would rather look at a “Splotch” and the asshole tagger can’t admire his work.

    So if they really want to confront an angry, able bodied, and well armed redneck..All they have to do is, look for the guy walking around his hood with a dog or two and a 2 way radio on his belt… That’s me, come say hi.

  24. Wow, what about all the people who have been attacked whilst tagging? (Tagger stabbed in New Zealand, search google for plenty more examples) People who hate tagging can be violent too! Every human being is different. How bias and unfair just because it is not to your taste.

  25. @Kateske: Ok I let this through because of how ridiculous it is… The people that have been attacked while tagging? WTF are you smoking?

    Tagging/Defacing/Vandalizing property that does not belong to you is ok because you feel like doing it? Our education system is truly broken and parents have truly let our nation down if this is the way our youth think.

    I can not fucking believe the comments from the folks supporting this type of shit *shakes head* but I guess they all Support Obama too… damn.

  26. You don’t realize that there is a big difference between a gangbanger and what is known as a graffiti writer. Gang graffiti is used to identify gang “territory” and no attempt at style or artistry is made. TRUE graffiti, sometimes referred to as hip hop graffiti, grew out of the urban youth culture of New York in the 1970’s and has been refined over the years into a complex art form. This second kind of graffiti is very very rarely connected with violence, and on the rare occasion that violence does occur, it is almost always between rival crews or individual writers, not against regular people who witness vandalism occurring. 99.99 percent of writers will simply run away if they are witnessed. I don’t know who this Garcia guy is, but he doesn’t represent the graffiti culture on this point. Yes, graffiti is vandalism, and yes, it’s illegal, but please don’t confuse a relatively benign group of vandals with violent gang members who will unhesitatingly attack innocent bystanders.

    Also, one does not “asses” a situation, as this would imply the use of either wild donkeys or human posteriors.

  27. @ebolamunkee: Thanks for the correction, I didn’t catch that… but you got the meaning right? LOL

    How can you defend this crap? did you look at the next post?
    Graffiti vs art
    Art is an expression of talent with permissions, graffiti is anything done without permission on a private/public blackboard.

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