What if’s about 9-11

What if’s about 9-11

I was again searching the interwebs for some articles and opinions on various things and I came across this one, and it made my blood boil.

This was written by some nutbasket named Peter Dyer

What if we had never gone to war? What if, after the shocking crimes of September 11, 2001, the United States had pursued a different course?

What if all the blood which has been spilled in the name of justice still flowed in living veins; all the American, Iraqi and other lives shattered were still whole; all the homes destroyed or lost still standing, still occupied by families who never harmed us?

We have spent monumental treasure and energy on two wars. What if, instead, we had invested a fraction of that in a determined, unrelenting effort to bring Osama bin Laden to justice in a fair and transparent trial in a court of law?

Of course, we’ll never know.

When we were confronted with the most heinous series of terrorist acts in our history Americans overwhelmingly lined up behind President Bush’s call for a “Global War on Terror.”

We can only speculate on what might have been the result of a different course of action, guided by a fundamentally different vision.

For two reasons, though, such speculation would not be entirely baseless:

One week after the U.S. began bombing Afghanistan, the Taliban presented us with an opportunity to investigate the possibility of a peaceful, legal resolution to the crimes of 9/11.

On Oct. 14, 2001, Afghanistan’s deputy prime minister, Haji Abdul Kabir, announced that if the United States stopped the bombing and produced evidence of bin Laden’s guilt, “we would be ready to hand him over to a third country” for trial.

President Bush, determined to launch and pursue the “war on terror,” refused even to discuss, much less investigate this possibility.

* A different course

Exactly 30 months after 9/11 there was another catastrophic terrorist attack in another country: Spain. On March 11, 2004, 191 people in Madrid were killed and over 1,800 injured when 10 backpack bombs exploded on four morning rush-hour commuter trains.

As with 9/11, “11-M” was the most devastating series of terrorist acts in Spanish history.

But Spain chose the path the U.S. rejected.

The Spanish government addressed the crimes of 11-M with the tools, techniques and resources of law enforcement. There was an investigation, arrests, a trial, and appeals.

This process is today essentially complete.

Spain has demonstrated an effective alternative to war as a means of addressing and resolving the bloody horrors of terrorism.

The Spanish example can thus help us make an educated guess at how things might have gone had the Bush administration not immediately and contemptuously rejected Kabir’s offer of Oct. 14, 2001.

And while such an endeavor can’t undo the past seven years, perhaps it can help us make a better choice next time our leaders tell us it’s time for another war.

Here’s how Spain did it.

Two days after the bombings, the police made their first arrests.

After a 25-month investigation, 29 people – 15 Moroccans, nine Spaniards, two Syrians, one Egyptian, one Algerian and one Lebanese – were indicted on April 11, 2006. The Madrid bombing trial opened on Feb. 15, 2007, and ended on July 2.

Four months later, on Oct. 31, 2007, the three-judge tribunal delivered the verdicts.

Three men were convicted of murder, attempted murder and committing terrorist acts. They were sentenced to thousands of years in prison each, although under Spanish law, none will serve longer than 40 years. There is no capital punishment in Spain.

Eighteen were found guilty of lesser offenses. Seven were acquitted. During the trial all charges were dropped against one of the defendants.

0n July 18 of this year, four of the sentences were overturned on appeal to the Supreme Court. Thus, in the end, 17 out of the original 29 indicted have been convicted.

The Supreme Court also concluded that the real ringleaders of the crimes of 11-M were among seven suspects who, three weeks after the bombs exploded, blew themselves up in an apartment outside Madrid when a police assault began.

The U.S. experience and the Spanish experience are, of course, not identical. But there are arguably enough parallels to facilitate a comparison and enable some credible answers to the question: what if?

There is much more of this ridiculous comparison HERE

UNBELIEVABLE… Ok kiddies and folks with sensitivities to vulgarity you might want to bail now:

Still here? Ok last warning…….

Well Mr Dyer, you seem to be looking for some way to incite the Mulsim readers of that piece of shit rag al-jazeera. Let me help you out with a little history:
Beirut, USS Cole, Several airlines, and 2 US Embassies, WTC1 and WTC 2 9-11..
All of those crimes were committed by followers of Islam, based in ISLAMIC countries against the United States of America. Diplomacy yielded very little in the way of retribution for the atrocities, and there was no end in sight for the murder of innocents to stop. You say we should never have done anything but treat it as a crime? Are you fucking kidding me?
What Spain did was turn tail and run, rather than help to install some sort of “Other way” to the masses. I personally wish GWB would have nuked Mecca, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, on 9-12-01, I would have danced in the streets like YOUR READERS did on 9-11.

Hows this for a WHAT IF”

What if the Redneck Mafia decided to DESTROY MECCA during the pilgrimage? Would it be a crime, should it be handled by strictly law enforcement? I think your readers would agree that it would be an act of war… but that would be wrong huh?
I find it hilarious that you would assume that the Taliban would turn over UBL, or that they would help in the hunt for UBL… UBL is not the only problem, Islam is. Your readers are, and idiots like you are.

I suppose the recent bombing in Pakistan is of no concern to you based on your logic, we should not treat that as an attack but just a law enforcement issue? We are at war and personally I think every fucking dead Muslim is one less problem the world has to deal with. I think that entire religion should be wiped off the map I think the US Armed forces are doing a tremendous job of sending Muslim radical fuckheads to meet that pedophile fucknozzle Muhammad.

You might get your wish too Peter Dyer, if Barrack Hussein Obama takes the reins in America, you will see a “Spain like” response, I imagine we will surrender faster than you drop to your knees 5 times a day. (Maybe 6 depending on which Sheik you are blowing)

I would like to remind my readers and friends that I spoke about where things were going when McCain pulled even with the “Chosen one”. Like I said, it is going to get worse… Al-Qaeda wants Obama to win, Al-Jazeera readers want Obama to win, France, Russia, China, North Korea, Mexico, Venezuela ALL want Obama to win this election for a reason. It is not economic. IT is their best chance at getting a surrender at all cost leader in charge, and in Al-Qaeda’s case the ONLY chance of claiming victory.

All Muslims should have to drive Volkswagons…. :rotflmao:

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10 Replies to “What if’s about 9-11”

  1. “Peaceful and legal”? I suppose the ramming of the planes into US citizens was legal as well. Oh and lets not forget the chopping off of people’s heads, thats legal too I suppose. :hole:

  2. “Peaceful and legal”? I suppose ramming planes into US citizens was legal and peaceful as well. Lets not forget the chopping off of people’s heads, that works for him too I say. :hole:

  3. Dyer obviously can’t remember the many terrorist attacks that were treated in the fashion he proposes only to be welcomed with more terror.
    We are not dealing with a group of people who negotiate to a middle ground. This is our choice as outlined in there many diatribes, convert to Islam or die. The options being A) convert or B) die, are pretty limited. We have stepped out of their plan and added option C) Kill all who would impose A or B. Since we can’t half convert or half die, choice C has become wildly popular.

  4. Oh, but Rob…it FEELS good for him to think he’s got the answers.

    Hey SFB, Dyer….. :finger:

    The idea that the head camel jockey would ever be ‘brought to justice’ in a court of law boggles. The only justice I want that scum sucker to see is a drone packed with mega explosives, rammed straight down his throat! Along with all his buddies.

    :shootin:

  5. Let’s see. Mirandizing terrorists. Hey; that’d be very effective, wouldn’t it? Really throw the ol’ scare into ’em. Maybe even play Good Cop/Bad Cop and threaten them with jail overnight if they don’t talk.

    BZ

  6. Here’s the best solution I can come up with on short notice:

    KILL EM ALL AND LET ALLAH SORT EM OUT…

    Yes, I DID say ALL of em, man, woman and child… :devilsmiling:

  7. Richard Gere said WAR HAS NEVER SOVED ANYTHING Boy what a jerk if it were not for the AMERICAN REVOLUTION we woulnd be a free nation if it were not for the CIVIL WAR we would still be two seperate nations if it were not for WW I then fascism would be everywhere if it were not for WW II then we would be under the control of the nazis and this GERE idiot would be in a concentration camp WHICH PROVES LIBERALS ARE STUPID :shootin:

  8. @Spurwing Plover: Richard Gere was also known for the Gerbil habitat he was creating in his ass….I refuse to take any advice or musings from a guy that stuffs rodents in his ass seriously. 🙁

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