Explain this to me:
Why is it; in a liberal/progressives mind, most Muslims are peaceful and if you disagree with it you are an Islamaphobic Racist.
But ALL Tea Party members are racist and if you don’t agree with that you are racist too?
Just askin.
See I know that most Muslims haven’t killed anyone in the name of Islam. I know that there are around 1 billion Muslims in the world and luckily only a small percentage have taken a life because of what is in the Koran. I know that a lot of Muslims in America have became “American” to some degree. I know a lot of Muslims in America believe in freedom of religion and they do not agree with same Islam that has been so violent.
I also know that those “moderate” Muslims that disagree with the violence associated with the “radical” Islam are normally very reluctant to voice their opinions against it. Ask a so-called “Moderate” if they believe hamas is a terrorist organization. IF you had 100 of them in a room, I bet less than 20 would say yes. And those that said yes, would add caveats to the answer.
Here’s a test. Ask a Christian if he/she thinks Phred Phelps is a worthless pile of pig feces. If you put 100 Christians in a room and asked that question you’d get 99% that said yes, the 1% would ask “Who is he”…. No caveats, straight out YES he’s a moron, a loon and the nation would be better off without him.
Muslim sympathizers like to use Timothy McVeigh, Jim Jones, And Hitler as examples of Christian extremists. This is a bullshit argument on it’s face and any free thinking person that is not a Little Green Footballer would know a few things about history.
Tim McVeigh was anti-Government, he was probably a racist, and he was a nutjob. He didn’t worship regularly, he didn’t carry the bible with him, he didn’t preach the bible to anyone, he was by no way a Christian.
Jim Jones, was a cult leader, he convinced a lot of folks to kill themselves. He was a perverted religious version of an Islamic Imam. But there is a huge difference. Christians are not following Jim Jones, they never did, Jim Jones killed all of his followers. Imams are still killing their followers and anyone that doesn’t follow. Jim Jones never stoned anyone for not following, nor did he terrorize those that disagreed with his version of religion.
Hitler, now this is the dumbest argument ever. Hitler Killed Jews. Christians know the bible and know that Jews are the chosen people. Claiming that Hitler killed Jews because he was Christian is so ridiculous only Charles Johnson himself would agree with you. So take that shit over there.
1.) Guns are used in self-defense over 2 million times a year. However, this makes the attempted crime a “non-event,” which necessarily complicates the Police investigation. Without civilian ownership of guns, these Police investigations would not have been compromised. Civilians should leave crime prevention to the Police, who are properly equipped to investigate following the crime’s completion.
2.) Some .004 % (4/1000 of 1%) of guns are used in crime each year. This is way too high. All guns should be banned
3.) Guns are unnecessary. In 98% of civilian gun defenses, no shot is fired. If you are not going to fire a shot, you clearly don’t need a gun. This proves that the guns are unnecessary. Banning guns will prevent these unnecessary defenses.
4.) Guns cause criminal migration. In tough gun-law Washington, D. C., violent crime rates are very high. This high crime rate is caused by the migration of criminals from gun havens like Virginia. This migration is caused by the criminal’s cowardly avoidance of armed householders and concealed-carry civilians. This criminal migration is detrimental to helpless unarmed citizens in no-gun areas and must be stopped. Guns should be banned everywhere.
5.) Most gun crimes are committed by inner city gangs and drug dealers. These relatively small and geographically restricted groups consistently commit the majority of gun crimes, which usually peak as turf wars erupt over Drug War changes. The best way to prevent this is by denying guns to all law abiding people everywhere.
6.) No woman needs to protect herself from rape, assault or murder. The Police will protect women by investigating the crime after the fact. Remember, Police paperwork is all the protection anyone really needs.
7.) Guns owners are disrespectful of authority. Good citizens should completely rely on the authorities. A failure to do so is an invariable sign of improper and overly independent attitudes. Failure to completely and absolutely trust and depend on the authorities is excessive democracy and sends a bad message to children.
8.) Guns owners engaging in self-defense are taking the law into their own hands. This is wrong. Only the Police and Criminals have the right to take the law into their own hands. It should be kept out of the hands of citizens.
9.) Children and young people should remain ignorant about guns. Real guns and real gun knowledge dissipate the fantasies created by violent video games and TV. Ignorance, once lost, can never be restored and needs to be protected. Not to mention the lost sales of all the violent movies, TV shows, video games, etc!
10.) Guns reduce people’s reliance on the Police and Government. This fosters a mistaken belief in “rights”. No person has the right to question authority. No person should be less than 100% dependent on authority. This is fundamental to social order. Banning guns will help to establish the Order the authorities want. This is good.
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The guns versus butter economic model appears to be tilting in the dairy spread’s favor in one inner city neighborhood, where record numbers of gun owners are giving up their weapons in return for gift cards to buy food and other goods.
The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department ended its annual Gifts for Guns program in Compton on Sunday, allowing residents to anonymously relinquish firearms in return for $100 gift cards for Ralphs supermarkets, Target department stores or Best Buy electronics stores. People get double that amount for turning in assault rifles.
In years past, Target and Best Buy were the cards of choice, with residents wanting electronic goods and other presents for the holidays. In this recessionary year, however, things are different.
“The majority of the people want the food cards,” said sheriff’s Sgt. Byron Woods. “People just don’t have the money to buy the food these days.”
Authorities said Sunday that a record 965 firearms and two hand grenades were handed in during the two weekends the program was in operation. That’s more than in any other year and easily eclipses last year’s total of 387 guns collected over both weekends.
“One guy said he had just got laid off from his job,” Woods said. “He turned in five guns and said it would really help him to put food on the family’s table.”
In L.A. the gun for cash program was to get the guns out of the gang members hands, what it has done is create a market for theft. The Criminals, steal the guns and get some poor slug to turn it in, then they get the voucher and go buy some bling at Best Buy or wherever. FOOD vouchers have become more requested recently and that is a damn shame.. Gang Killings have not decreased, shootings have not decreased, the only thing that has decreased is the state’s cash flow.
Somethings never cease to amaze me.. You have a rifle, you have a handgun, and you turn them in so you can feed your family? Ok question time ladies and gentlemen: Do you remember the “Fish story” from the below post? IS this not the epitome of nanny state mentality?
What you have done when you turn your guns in to the FEDS or State officials: YOU HAVE ELIMINATED SOME OF YOUR SURVIVAL TOOLS. You have took something that could have saved your life and fed you forever, and traded it for quick food. You get maybe a month worth of food for a weapon, what do you do when that month is over?
This is a damn shame IMO, I honestly thought folks were smarter than this, I would understand if they had more than one gun, traded a POS .22 handgun or something for a fishing pole and a tent, but for a food voucher? It boggles my mind. I don’t care if it’s for baby formula, or medicine, trading in your weapon for food (Or anything else other than a better weapon) is IDIOCY!.
I’ll be holding on to the equipment I need to survive, thank you very much. I may be arrested for poaching to feed my family, I may be arrested for trespassing while removing fruit from trees to feed my family, but I’ll be damn if I’ll be dropping off my guns to feed my family, I’ll shoot or catch what we need… That lasts a lot longer than any damn coupon.
The cost of getting caught doing graffiti is going up next year.
Wall art by Moron hoodrat
Anyone convicted of vandalism for graffiti causing $400 or more in damage will have to clean up the property and keep it tidy for up to a year under a law that will go into effect in January.
The cleanup penalty must be imposed by judges under the new law, according to spokeswoman Rachel Cameron with Gov. Schwarzenegger’s office. Currently, the law leaves this aspect of a sentence to the judge’s discretion.
The new law is not perfect but it does give judges the ability to make the right calls, Riverside County Superior Court Judge Mark Cope said.
When the defendant is a minor, the parents can be ordered to clean up their child’s mess unless it would be too burdensome for the family because of child care or economic concerns, according to the law.
“In the right case, I think it’s great when young people are held accountable,” said Cope, who handles juvenile matters at the Southwest Justice Center in French Valley.
As for the provision that holds parents accountable for their children’s actions, he said, it would only be practical in cases where minors are vandalizing their own neighborhood.
“It allows them to have a sense of responsibility for their community,” Cope said.
Two county probation officials said they will work with the victims and the judges on a case-by-case basis when the cleanup provision is ordered.
“The judge would have to take into consideration the victim, because I don’t know how many people are going to want this kid and his parents on their property cleaning up graffiti,” said Bryce Hulstrom, assistant director of the Riverside County Probation Department’s juvenile services division
Hulstrom and Beth Stevens, director of Adult Probation Services, said they expect judges in Riverside County to impose the community service penalty, also provided under the new law, more often than the cleanup penalty.
Most graffiti crimes are committed by people with gang ties, and having someone clean up graffiti left by a rival gang member could have deadly consequences, said Stevens, whose agency will handle the bulk of these cases.
“We are already hesitant with having juveniles do graffiti cleanup because it can be dangerous,” she said. “They can be targeted by other gang members.”
It makes more sense to have someone trained in graffiti removal to immediately fix the damaged property instead of waiting more than a month for someone’s case to be resolved, Stevens said.
Hulstrom said if a judge orders a defendant to keep a wall clean for a year, the Probation Department will set up a monitoring program.
Some cities and county agencies have invested time and much money into removing those unsightly letters and words scribbled on bridges, walls and signs.
The San Bernardino County Board of Supervisors has allocated $500,000 for a countywide graffiti-abatement program, said Randy Rogers, code enforcement chief for the county. The county has crews of contractors who daily search for graffiti. There are four graffiti teams and most of the time there are two people per team, he said.
Riverside has committed $1 million to fighting graffiti while the county has a mobile graffiti-eradication team of eight employees.
In 2007, Riverside received 21,200 calls complaining about graffiti while the Riverside Police Department made 270 arrests in connection with graffiti vandalism that year.
The Riverside County Economic Development Agency’s graffiti-removal program in 2007 got 6,611 calls in the unincorporated areas and cleaned almost 701,000 square-feet of defaced property, spokesman Tom Freeman said.
The Riverside County district attorney’s office filed 890 misdemeanor and felony vandalism charges in 2006, 1,231 in 2007 and 889 charges by August 2008, according to data provided by spokesman Ryan Hightower.
Graffiti’s grip on a community extends far beyond the immediate neighborhood.
“The reality is that it’s a blight,” Rogers, the San Bernardino County code enforcement chief, said. “It also lowers property values significantly. It’s the first thing you see when you drive into a neighborhood.”
Riverside County is trying to attract new homebuyers and businesses to the area and graffiti is a detractor, Freeman said. It gives the impression that the area has a high crime rate, he said.
This is step in the right direction, it is NOT as tough as I would have liked, but it’s moving the right way. The part that bothers me is this “We are already hesitant with having juveniles do graffiti cleanup because it can be dangerous,” she said. “They can be targeted by other gang members.”
IF a kid gets killed cleaning up graffiti because he did it, it will be the judges fault according to the lawyers. As always the blame will be deflected away from the truth, the truth is the graffiti perpetrator (AKA Idiot) is responsible and should be held as such. AND so are the parents of “REPEAT” offenders, by repeat I mean doing it more than once, not being caught more than once. If the “IDIOT” is found to have caused more than $400.00 dollars of damage, his tag most likely was found on more than one place.
I was involved in a lot of the discussions about ways to curtail this crime, and for those of you thinking it is a minor crime, a victimless crime, or not a crime at all. I ask you to think about the money spent cleaning it up, then look at where the money could be better spent? Like child care for mothers trying to get out of the poverty level, and MANY other community funded areas.
We are not going to stop fighting it, we are not going to allow it to continue, so while IDIOTS are painting things that don’t belong to them, they should know they are taking help away from their “Familia”
I do like that we are going to hold the parents responsible (At least on paper) I will be interested to see if it actually holds up. This article in the Press Enterprise is in very large print on the FRONT page of the local section. It is in Spanish on “la Opinion” and English in several local newspapers.
The word is getting out. Took long enough but FINALLY some teeth in a graffiti law.
WOW.. I heard the Phelp’s Fag parade was coming to the “forum” but I thought they would be less vile..I was wrong. Really I am at a loss for words….damn.
One item of note: The guy talking to the Phelps Bitch, exercised extreme restraint and I know for a fact neither I nor any of my friends would have been that close and not gone “Physical”with them. At the GOE 1, it took a division of cops to keep the sides separated, and the libtards owe them their life.
Would it be considered un-christianlike to wish Fred Phelps was kidnapped and made a sex slave for the village people?
I had the honor of entertaining some comments on the “Artists” side of the issue:
Here are a couple of examples:
Chris (no Blog URL) says;
I completely agree with the fact that gangs cause problems and should be rid of BUT, graffiti is an art, and it seems like the criminals (violent ones) committing more than simple vandalism, are fully involved in gangs and are not “tagging” for the sake of art or beauty, but tagging to protect the turf. Graffiti artists or vandals, and gang members marking their area are two completely different things. It is like comparing marijuana to heroin, yea they are both illegal but marijuana is pretty much harmless (graffiti) and heroin is dangerous, addictive, and ruins our society (gang graffiti/activity).
All I am saying is don’t forget to distinguish artists from pure gang members and criminals out there spraying their shitty bullshit all over the place.
Hammer Time (no Blog URL) says
this is pathetic, did anyone notice the fact that they almost all had something to do with gangs?
gangs and people who write graffiti, are two totally different things…
and why is everyone so scared of colorful walls?
Facedorateur (no Blog URL) says:
Not to be a bitch, but 3 deaths due to graffiti GANGS seems ok compared to the 4000 american soldiers that died in Irak and Afghanistan, or the millions of children that dies everyday in africa. A graffiti writer alone is less likely to attack someone, he will maybe have a weapon, but in any case he will not even try to use it and run away. Dont be affraid of the lonewolfes. But the gangs, they are dangerous because they are in numbers, 5 guys are better at kicking someones butt than only 1. + graffiti is a peaceful crime and it adds a little color and artistic taste in our grey cities. And if you compare it to drug gangs, you will realize its not that bad.
David (no Blog URL)says:
If I lived in LA and I knew which neighbourhood you were in I would go crush it tonight.
If you put your foot on top of my throat and I was completely defenceless, and I had no idea that you we’re going to attack me, you basically just attacked me.
And if you did put your foot on my throat, I would think that you were going to kill me and choke me to death and I would probably shoot your fucking brain out.
You’re saying that the parents are responsible for kids tagging? dude are you dumb or something? its not like the parents are putting spraycans in the childrens hand and saying ‘go paint graffiti’ or not even like they have there eyes closed.. Also most of the people that are probably shown in the article that took voilent action were probably over 21 so they’re parents have no control over them anyways.
I hate you with a fucking passion and if I’m ever in LA remind me to fucking do a big ass graffiti tag on your garage while you’re dressed like a clown with hunting gear on in the bushes.
The one from David was by far the funniest, IF he ever even thought about coming to my hood he would break out in a sweat.. IF I had my foot on his throat, I would be ready to kill him if necessary, any movement that threatened my well being at that point would be met with a mind bending flurry of lead and David moving toward the light.
I see nothing artistic about that, I don’t think any of the property owners appreciate it, I really don’t appreciate that shit on electrical/cable or phone boxes.
I think all these idiots that write on PUBLIC or PERSONAL property that they do not own, should have to pay for it, if they have no way to pay, make the parents pay and make the kids spend weekends cleaning graffiti.
The approach our PD is taking is PARENTS will be paying up to 10k for graffiti clean up if their kids are caught.
If a juvenile is apprehended in the act or has been named as a suspect a warrant can be issued and served to search the home of the kid, if materials/evidence of vandalism/tagging are in the home the parents are cited and will be fined up to 15k for damages. IF the parents are ILLEGALLY in this Country, it can lead to deportation proceedings.
One of the first things someone should ask themselves is: IF this is art, and an expression of my feelings, why am I doing it in the shadows? Why am I scared of getting caught? Why is this big ass redneck standing on my neck?
Art my ass, this is a crime and should be treated as such, it should be investigated when found on public property and prosecuted in a very harsh manner. I think the laws are too soft, but they are getting harder.
And for those that say “There is nothing for the kids to do”….
This is a brand new 2 million dollar building in a public park:
Its a “FOR THE KIDS” Building, look closely next to drain pipe to see the evidence of gratitude. The building is in the heart of a known gang infested area. It was made possible by donations and funding from taxpayers.
The building has a Indoor Basketball court, boxing ring, gym, all kinds of inside games, and activities. The guy that runs this park is a friend of mine, I have known him for over 20 years, he is a strong leader in the community and if you ask him, he’ll tell you it’s as much the parents fault for allowing our community to fall into this state as everyone those parents like to blame.
What we need is not more buildings for the kids to go to, we need PARENTS to actually PARENT! and the excuse box is full. NO MORE EXCUSES! Get your kids in check.
