History Month post… Robert E Lee.
For those of you who may or may not be offended by the black history month concept. I have decided to honor all history related to AMERICANS… Regardless of status of residence, feelings about our beginnings as a nation. We must recognize the men/women that I honor this month played a huge role in shaping our nation. I will start with the Civil War era. (Yes I could start at the very beginnings but I chose to start with the civil war because that time has been so thoroughly rewritten from the facts it’s laughable) Since Abraham Lincoln already has at the very least a day set aside for remembrance. (Although it’s lumped in with ALL and not given a day to himself such as MLK day) I’ll begin with one of my favorite historical figures. Gen Robert E Lee:
Originally opposed to Confederacy, considering the dissolution of the Union a calamity, Lee turned down an offer to lead the Union army and joined the Confederacy when his home state of Virginia seceded. A brilliant tactician, Lee exhibited success against Union forces but lost the overall strategic battle and surrendered to General Grant at Appomattox on April 9, 1865.
(born Jan. 19, 1807, Stratford, Westmoreland county, Va., U.S.—died Oct. 12, 1870, Lexington, Va.) Confederate general, commander of the Army of Northern Virginia, the most successful of the Southern armies during the American Civil War (1861–65). In February 1865 he was given command of all the Southern armies. His surrender at Appomattox Courthouse April 9, 1865, is commonly viewed as signifying the end of the Civil War.
One of the most recognizable of all confederate era leaders. Robert E Lee was a man of honor, character and southern virtue. He believed with all his heart the rights of the state outweighed the rights of the federal government.
I’ve often had discussions about the reasons for the civil war. My opinion of the reasons are best summed up by looking at today’s issues;
In the days of Robert E Lee, slavery was the way of the world. It was as common as the internet now. America was a fledgling nation, Europe, Africa and in large part the entire world used slaves as a means to create wealth and better the status of men (If you were a slave it was tough luck..) Slavery made many rich, including BLACK people in the south as well in Africa.
The Federal Government basically decided that ALL states must abide by this new law stating slavery was to be abolished in the nation, without a plan to replace it. This was ONE reason not the only reason. But we’ll give the benefit of the doubt to the racist implication since it’s black history month:
Today’s issues: We’ll use Illegal Immigration as the issue: Lets say that the Federal Government decided to open the borders with Mexico and allow unfettered access, to increase the labor pool of the nation. AZ, Tex, NM, All decided to fight this action and they battle in courts. The states lose in courts and decide to leave the union and create their own nations which will BLOCK all Illegal immigration to the America from the south.
Many states join AZ, Tex and NM against the federal government…. Well, the fight lasts years and many die. But the federal government wins and the states aligned against the feds surrender. What will history say about the rebels? They were racists and wanted to keep poor Mexicans from coming to America and bettering their lives…This is what happened to the Confederates. Those who win the fight write the history.
Robert E Lee picked a side, left a comfortable existence and instead chose to fight for what he believed in. States have the right to make their own decisions on governing their citizens. He fought gallantly, he showed courage and compassion during his time and should be remembered for his efforts to STAND against all odds with like minded men.
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Next up: A Black Confederate tribute.
8 Replies to “History Month post… Robert E Lee.”
Obviously you know only the pompus and goofy myths shoved down your throat by politically correct bullshit.
On so many levels, Lee was entirely different than anything you have been taught. Let’s just take one level, Lee’s torture of slave girls.
Not only did Lee torture slave girls, his own handwritten account books show he was obsessed with the light skinned slave girls, and paid increasingly large bounties for their capture. That’s not what some historian said to smear Lee, this is in Lee’s own handwritten account books.
Furthermore, this idiotic myth that the South gave a rats ass about states rights goes against the Southern President’s statements at the time. Also the Southern Ultimatums, issued by the Southern leaders in Montgomery, were very clear what their goal was — not states rights, but to spread slavery per the word of God AGAINST — yes AGAINST states rights.
Kansas, for example, had just voted 98% to 2% to keep slavery out forever. Southern scum had always manufactured — by fear and force — this nonsense that the overwhelming # of people wanted slavery. Sorry, but Southern writers at the time exposed that fraud. According to Hinton Helper, if an honest election were held, if freedom of speech and religion were allowed in the South, slavery would have been kicked out decades before.
But in 1861, the Southern lie had been exposed — no longer could they terrorize and squash the anti slavery feeling in the territories. Kansas had spent 4 years fighting the thugs and murderers sent out by slave owners. And then voted 98% to keep slavery out, as cited above.
This drove the slave owners crazy. Their five Ultimatums were AGAINST — AGAINST — any state deciding slavery for itself. Slavery was FROM GOD, and enchrined in the Southern Constitution, and their Five ULtimatums made it very very clear — spread slavery or face war.
Of the Five Southern Ultimatums, how many were about the spread of slavery? Not 1. Not 2. Not 3. Not 4. BUT ALL FIVE. That’s right, the South had five ultimatums — all five were about the spread of slavery.
There is much much more — of course. Davis own speeches and books verifying this, newspaper headlines and articles in the South bragging about it. Southern sermons, speeches and documents insisting slavery be spread, against the will of the people in the new states. It’s all there.
But it hasn’t been taught. All that is about to change. The punk ass cowards who have been lying about history for 150 years now face something they can’t hide — the actual words from the South at the time.
The actual words, recording in their own newspapers, their own books, their own speeches, have been ignored for many decades, choked out by Southern book editors, kept out of US history books, and unknown to most Americans.
But Google books and documents have changed that. You lying lunatics can’t keep the lie going. The truth is coming out.
http://leepapers.blogspot.com/
HA! this should be interesting. You will use the “words” at the time to prove the civil war was not a states rights issue? Will you also use the words of the UNION to prove it? How about Lincoln himself? or how about Grant? You morons who have rewritten history for your own ideological bent leave out the Union’s words which have been VERIFIED but hidden or ignored.
Lie? Yeah you take the cake asshole. The “Leepapers” are a sign of the times. Beware of what you try to interpret. You may find it put holes in your “Union was righteous” theories….
On a side note: You want to disagree with an opinion here, do so. But do it in a civilized manner. You do not want to get into a pissing match here on A&P many have tried none have succeeded and all left crying in their bib.
Warning issued. Your move.
Opinions? Since when did I say anything about an opinion. Im talking facts, something you run from.
Facts, like Lee tortured 13 year old girls, as verified in his own account books, Facts like Lee sold or separated babies from their mother — routinely.
And this is just the start, there is no room for all the FACTS about the vile ugly truth about Southern leaders. Slavery – -torture — insisting God ordained slavery AND torture — learn what your own leaders wrote, said and did. Those are not opinions, those are facts you have been hiding.
My move? This isn’t a game. This is truth, what REALLY happened, as proved in the South’s own newspapers, in the South’s own documents, in the South’s own books. Are those opinions?
You can h ave your own opinion — but you can’t have your own facts. Here is a clue, maybe Robert E Lee shouldnt have written so much of this down in his own handwriting. Maybe the Southern newspapers and books should have been hidden, instead of stored for future examination.
Why are you so terrified of the truth? Why not look at what Lee wrote? Why not look at what your own Southern newspapers said at the time. Why not pay attention to the words of your own leaders — at the time.
Okay Marky: During the time of Lee, slavery was the norm in the world. Slaves were sold and bought across many nations. Many “atrocities” occurred that make people sick NOW, but in the time were common place. This is why Lee wrote about them so openly. Slavery, was perpetrated by BLACKS as well as WHITES. BLACKS SOLD THEIR OWN INTO BONDAGE! Muslim nations used slaves, back in the days of the bible slaves were JEWS, Protestants were SLAVES. At one time CHINESE were slaves. ALL NATIONALITIES have been slaves at one time or another. Lee fought to preserve the right of the states to decide the fate of the states. He is a hero like like Lincoln is a hero. Did you read what Lincoln wrote about blacks???? My GAWD someone who is so enlightened should be able to understand history before you opine about it.
Again you fail to recognize the facts in the times his letters were written. And I run from nothing. Facts are miserable things when you understand them all!
Slavery was the norm in 1861? Bother to learn much history.
First of all, even in the SOUTH less than 10% of people owned slavers. 90% did not. Secondly, your OWN leaders went on and on how the CONFEDERACY was the “first nation on earth” to do slavery per the word of God — perpetual enslavement of the inferior blacks by superior whites.
I guess you don’t know your OWN history, I have to keep showing it to you. Go read the South’s best historian — Alexander Stephens, your VP. He gave history lessons you should read. He was there, maybe he knows something you don’t.
Stephen’s “cornerstone” speech (he gave several of them, and they were reported in newspapers at the time, reviewed by him personally) went on and on and ON about how slavery SHOULD be spread throughout the world, as the Confederate nation was based on this “great moral principle” that blacks are punished by GOD, and white are chosen by GOD to enslave them.
The Confederacy, he said, was BASED on this principle, to SPREAD slavery throughout the white world. HE said other nations had slavery at various times, but not the slavery ordained by God, as practiced in the South. ONLY the Confederacy did it right — total subjugation of blacks, chattel slavery, where children are sold away from the mother, where generation after generation of blacks should be enslaved.
Nor was this just Stephen’s ranting. In a speech every Southern coward had tried to hide, Davis himself repeated, essentially, what his Vice President said. Slavery is the CORNERSTONE — the foundation — of the Confederacy, as God intended blacks to be enslaved by whites. FOREVER — not for a time. And their children, their “issue” are to be enslaved forever.
Go read your own PResident and VP speeches. Go read them. They said it. They were there. They said it AT THE TIME.
Davis even said “was induced to speak on this matter, so there will be no misunderstanding in the future” !!! Yes, Davis said slavery was the cornerstone, and to be spread throughout the world. So did the VP. And no, it was common. Your own Southern historians knew what they were talking about — the CSA was the “first in the world” to do slavery this way.
Were your own leaders stupid? Did they not know their own reasons, their own motivation, and their own history?
You are not arguing with me, you are disputing what Davis wrote at length, what Stephens said, what Southern books, speeches, and newspapers said at the time.
All stuff you have tried to gloss over — or as you do it, by claiming slavery was common. Hell it was. In fact, Southerner Hiton Helper said even in the SOUTH slavery would be voted out, if the slave owners were not despots and did NOT allow free speech, did NOT allow free press, and did NOT have real elections.
Learn the basic facts. Its clear what you have is the distorted nonsense the Southern apologist have filtered and edited and cherry picked. So many things, like Lee whipping slave girls and selling babies, like your president AND VP bragging about slavery being the cornerstone, that God intended the white race to enslave the black race, as told to Southern leaders by “His revealed will”.
I should not be short with you, I believed the same basic stuff you do, because I did not yet know what Southern newspapers said, what Southern leaders said, what Southern documents and books said. They were boastful and proud and loud about it. What they shouted at the time — you deny was ever whispered.
Deal with reality, as expressed by your OWN leaders at the time. NOT the bs they came up with later, after they lost. Not just the excuses and lies and myths. It’s all there. Torturing slave girls, bragging GOD told them to enlave inferior race in perpetuity, blacks duty is to work, and whites duty is to become “gentleman”.
Furthermore, Davis and other said much the sam
Hahaha. WOW, then are you saying that 10% of southerners that owned slaves were the cause of the civil war? You state the south was going to vote slavery out, but then in the same breath say that slavery was the cause of the civil war? um, trying to have it both ways may work with your less intelligent readers but not here.
Also YES slavery was common. It had spread through out europe and asia and the middle east. It was on the decline there as it was here, but to say it wasn’t common is ridiculous. You continue to harp on the “Rantings” I place them in the same context as Al Gore’s rantings today. It was a cause it was a fight to continue slavery. It was a dying grasp at a by gone era. So fkn what? You’ve already ruined your argument, you took the bait and swallowed the hook and your own statements make my point.
The very reason for the war had little to do with slavery for only 10% of the south held slaves. It wasn’t slavery per se it was the right of the states that was at stake. Get over yourself there Mark, You got some serious learning to do..
No I said 10% of Southerners owned slaves– but EVERY Confederate leader owned them or their family did. 40% of Southerners were slaves, idiot. 50% women.
Slave owners ruled the South, the courts, the banks, the newspapers, and the military. Slave owners were desperate to SPREAD slavery.
YOu tried to excuse Lee’s torture of slave girls as “that’s the way the world was”. Utter nonsense. Most of the world was NOT torturing slave girls, selling babies.
Plus, you tried to claim Lee was man who never owned slaves and was AGAINST slaves. Total bullshit. He had the life and death of the slaves in his hands, on his word, they were tortured. ON his word, they were sold or rented out. ON his word, infants were taken from the their mother. On his word, women did what he wanted — who do you think fathered those light skinned slaves? Casper?
So you want it both ways. Slavery was the way of the world, and Lee was just an innocent by stander. The Southern leaders went to war to SPREAD slavery in areas that didn’t want it — and their documents, newspapers, letters speeches proved it. Their Ultimatums prove it. Jeff Davis speeches prove it. The SOuthnern newspapers prove it.
There are two types of people in the world — those who could care less about what’s true — like you. And those who care, like me. You aren’t after the truth — you don’t care that Lee tortured slaves, that in his own handwriting he offers his largest bounties for light skinned slave girls, that his own letters claim God intended slavery to be painful to blacks, and that it was evil for men to even try to end slavery, only God could, and he might take 2000 years.
You don’t care that Davis said the cause of the war was the SPREAD of slavery, that Southern newspapers bragged about it, Southern documents shouted it from the roof tops.
Why?
Because your social group — or imagined social group — doesn’t give points for truth. You get points for repeating the crap you have above, about Lee being a man of honor against slavery.
HA! you are ate up with the dummbass aint ya Mark? You got a thing for what you perceive as “Horrid” accounts of life in the 1800’s… WOW pretty judgmental of you who have a vivid imagination.
For one I never said Lee didn’t own slaves. Lincoln himself wanted slavery continued. How about looking at how slaves were treated in the north at the time? The “FREE” slaves fared far worse in the north in some instances, why not pick those out too? You’re entire tirade over a “Slave girl” is pretty pathetic. As I stated the laws of the land at the time allowed it. the 10% who owned slaves were not the entire reason for the war. AND you are full of shit that ALL Confederate leaders owned slaves. Maybe the big three or four did, but there were MANY leaders who didn’t. There were also some UNION leaders who before the war held slaves. IS that not convenient? LMAO.
Go back to that “Biography” of which you seem to take as gospel. I wonder do you hold the words of Muhammad in that high of regard? How about John, or Mathew? Lee wrote things they didn’t have the internet. To pick the fly shit out of pepper and point to it and say “THAT’S ALL THIS MAN WAS” is ridiculous. Lee was a damn good leader, an honorable man of his time. Like it or not.