And, Fred, knowing you, you probably don’t object to “showing off” when it come to perps. :biggrin:

Center mass until aggressive movement stops.

All movements are considered aggressive.

Winging a criminal usually results in the criminal becoming ambidextrous, and trying to shoot you with the other hand…

And a valid opinion based on years of experience and actually being there. NO better opinion can be exacted.

Screw em, I hope the SOB is on fire now. Sounds bad but I’m sick and tired of these worthless gangbangers,thugs and thieves. I’ll find out which cop shot the idiot and I’m going to give him a gift card for a nice dinner.

http://cbs3.com/topstories/philadelphia.police.shooting.2.823680.html

Well, ya damn sure don’t shoot the SOB to make him feel good… :devilsmiling:

I have heard some ignorant asswipes say, “Couldn’t you just shoot him to wound him?? Or shoot him in the leg or something??”

The man that truly taught me to shoot, and BZ likely knows the name, retired BP Commander Bill Jordan, told us all that it’s easier to explain a dead body than a live and hurt one…

Dead bodies don’t sue you either… The family might but that’s the breaks… And you NEVER shoot to wound, center mass, in the 10 ring, and here’s the “Fred philosophy”, ANYTHING worth shooting is worth at least 2 or 3 rounds, a double tap or a 3 round burst..

And with the big honkin’ pistol I carry, 2 is overkill, 3 is just showing off… :devilsmiling:

Our cops put their lives on the line every single day, but they aren’t suppose to defend themselves against scum? I don’t bloody well think so!

If the situation calls for lethal means, the officer should not be charged for it, it is just his job. In the video game SWAT 4 I “failed” a number missions because I shot the suspect BEFORE he shot the hostage or me. Having seen how cops have to operate, the libtards should shut up and let them do their job. :shootin:

Law enforcement went to the Tazer and beanbag shotguns because they were quantified as “less than lethal” force but NOT “non-lethal” force as some in copdom write. History is obviously showing that Tazers CAN be lethal dependent upon the individual’s health, history and, at the moment of impact, what is known as “drugs on board.” There is also the adrenaline affect known as “excited delirium” which also comes into play.

As Rangemaster of my department, I told my department that suits would become such that there would be little reason to spend all the extra dollars on “less than lethal” force as it would soon prove to in fact BE lethal in SOME cases. But, of course, that’s all it takes for the ACLU and various other “humanitarian” organizations to object TO “less than lethal” force. I said in an Exec Staff meeting that money would be better spent divesting of LTL and, instead, investing in more range time, rounds, placement and gun handling skills.

I am being proven correct. An injury tort settlement yields almost the same amount of liability exposure or money as a “wrongful death” suit. You may as well shoot them. Again, I am being proven correct.

All trainers in firearms state that officers do not utilize firearms to wound, “wing” or kill. They shoot to STOP the offender from the actions requiring the utilization of the firearm. We train to stop ONLY when the OFFENDER’S deadly or harmful actions STOP.

There is some serious re-thinking and re-consideration going on in the law enforcement training communities throughout the nation. Too many “stops” in the Force Continuum (Officer thinks: “Hmm. Should I use harsh language? Sarcasm? Empty hand? Baton? Tazer? ‘Found’ objects? Beanbag? Pepperball? My sidearm? My shotgun? My long rifle?”) result in muddy thinking or late thinking in human beings.

BZ