Surrender
July 6th, 2008 . byI have about had it with all the SURRENDER NOW! Talk from the liberal flip flop king.
I was listening to John (Flip Flop Kerry) talking on “Face the Nation†He was opposed by Lindsey Graham and the media bias was more than evident by the moderator, BUT Lindsey did well IMO.
John Kerry perpetrated at least six flips and three flops in the hour show, all while supporting Obama… There was no one better to represent Obama’s flip-flops on Iraq or Afghanistan because when you are accused of flipping and flopping you need the best to defend you.
IRAQ
FACT: We broke Iraq because of poor decisions in the beginning. WE did not make the right decisions in order to end this conflict quickly.
FACT: The responsible thing to do when you break something is to take ownership, and fix it, repair it or pay the owner so they can replace it.
FACT: The USA is trying to act responsible and it is evident by the lack of news coming out of Iraq…. The good news is buried in the back of papers, and is mentioned in passing by news commentators.I AM NOT DISCUSSING THE REASONS WE ARE THERE! That is not the topic of this discussion.
The liberal mentality is on display for the world to see, and countries that oppose the U.S.A are paying close attention. WHY?
Liberals have no moral fiber, the vast majority of them do not believe in higher power so they do not believe in a consequence for their actions. MOST liberals do not have a spine, and they are very short sighted, if something happens it needs to happen QUICK because the liberal mind cannot envision the long-term result of any action. (Yes, it appears GWB and Rummy suffered from some liberal tendencies)
In world issues, the countries that oppose the USA’s freedoms and are threatened by America’s success are hoping for an Obama presidency. Obama portrays a position of weakness in the world, his words, actions and methods show that he will not only compromise on moral/human or political issues, but will actually give up our beliefs and values in order not to have a confrontation. McCain on the other hand, would not want the confrontation, would at least be negotiating from a position of strength.
Negotiating from a strong position is a much better position than from your knees begging for a handout.
I realize Iraq is a topic of HIGHLY flammable verbal gymnastics… I really am not interested in talking about “Why we are thereâ€, “Blood for Oil†or “Afghanistan was where we should have stayedâ€Â I am interested in fixing what WE as a nation broke, and running away and leaving Iraq to fall into certain radical elements should not be a desired “Fix†we should even consider.
Oh and does anyone know who the first Liberal Democrat was???
It was Christopher Columbus. He left not knowing where he was going, got there not knowing where he was, Left there not knowing where he’d been, and did it all on borrowed money….(From GUNZ)
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There is a fight coming in this nation, and I don’t believe it’s that far away…
REAL American Conservatives are NOT going to survive if we don’t stand and fight, the apathy and liberalism in this nation is going to kill us and destroy America if it’s not stopped, and soon..
Just FYI, Bob Schieffer’s brother was in business with GEORGE W BUSH — you moron. Scieiffer couldn’t make Kerry stop talking—he tried over and over but to you that’s media bias.
Let’s see — conservatives have been controlling congress for the past 18yrs and our country is nearly bankrupt. Most of the leaders of the conservatives in congress have resigned or are under investigation by the BUSH appointed JUSTICE DEPT!
What we need are REAL AMERICANS not a bunch of big talking hipocrites who speak of God on one hand and destroy America with the other. We’re in debt to the Chinese for nearly $4 TRILLION dollars thanks to Conservatives.
Why don’t you get a uniform on and get your big mouth to IRAQ so some of my friends sons can come home.
By the way, a war is where a bunch of guys dress up alike and shoot at each other from opposing lines. Iraq stopped being a WAR in May 2003. Since that time we have been acting as a police force desperately trying to keep 5 different factions from killing each other. Police don’t surrender — they go HOME to their wives and kids
Yep…what Fred said…without a doubt.
@Jeff S: I Don’t give a damn who GWB was in business with- you dickhead..
(I can use a few better words to discribe you if youd like but it really wont be helpful) If you think the media is not slanted left as a whole then you must also believe FOX is not slanted right? or is that too much to ask? We have one TV station leaning a little right of center, you idiots have the rest of them but that’s ok right?
Conservatives have been controlling congress for what? oh and they succeeded in things just like YOUR side has succeeded the last 2 years???? WHY because of politics being more important than country. Oh and yeah The belief in GOD outweighs them all.
Here’s something you can ponder there Jeff. IF there is no God, and you follow the most basic beliefs of the Christian faith, the worse that can happen is you would live a peaceful life, knowing of personal responsibility and consequence of your actions. You would have wasted nothing and been a happy man.
The Best that can happen is you meet your maker with Jesus at your side and you move on into heaven. Either way is not bad. IMO
I loved this part “Why don’t you get a uniform on and get your big mouth to IRAQ so some of my friends sons can come home. ”
This is a typical moonbat response. however; the addition of “My friends” is supposed to make conservatives cringe…. WELL, I have friends there too asshole and a lot of them would love to put their hands around your throat and choke the dumbass out of you.
War is when opposing view points collide and can not be hammered out in dialog, Jeff I would be happy top go to war with you, because you and I are obviously at an impasse.
JeffS: Dur de dur, look at me, I’m a libtard… :P
I can’t speak for ALL, but I HAVE been there, twice, in the last war, Gulf 1 and again in 2002, Afghanistan and Northern Iraq…
My Son has been there once, did a year in Baghdad and he’s going back…
When was the last time YOU were in Iraq Jeff?
When was the last time you left your Mom’s basement?? :?
@Jeff….do your friends know you are meddling in their children’s affairs/decisions ? Our Military is all volunteer. I have two immediate family member in Iraq, and not one of my *friends* would make a remark like the one you made.
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War is simply Gods way of teaching morons geography…
BUT.. even that is pretty hopeless when folks like Jeff couldn’t possibly find his ass with both hands in the dark let alone Iraq.
He did, however, find your blog Bushwack using the Christopher Columbus approach. The only difference is that he’ll sure in the Hell know wheres he’s been after leaving here and being schooled by you, Jo, and Texas Fred lol.
*Gunz out*
@GUNZ: WELCOME back brudda Gunz.
Yeah there is some schooling that is still necessary from time to time, and you will be a welcome addition to the faculty..LOL
I got bitch slapped a bunch but not one of you responded to the facts.
America is in debt so deep it will take generations to repay for a war we were told would cost peanuts and we would be greeted with flowers.
Americas infrastructure is in terrible shape yet we still argue while billions are sent and disappear in the black hole of Iraq.
We borrowed yet Billions more to give tax cuts during a WAR.
We allowed a congress to defeat legislation that would have avoided both the current oil crisis and the the banking sub-prime crisis.
We allowed the country to become so divided that one –as was spoken here–would want to kill me for stating facts.
I spent 8 yrs in the Marines and can still shoot a quarter size group off hand at 75 feet with a 45 auto at 55yrs old.
I count among my friends here at Fort Bragg, many who served in Iraq and most of their families wish they were home.
I have often thought that those of us who are older and more experienced ought to be over there, so that we don’t lose a whole generation of children over a bad decision.
I’m as much a patriot as any who have spoken here and would gladly give my life to be there now.
@Jeff S: First two points I don’t disagree with. The tax cuts, they were needed because of all the TAXES the previous president enacted. WAR or no war it helped propel the economy for over 6 years. YES it is FUBAR now but why is that Jeff? had we had our own oil or Nuke power we would not be so far up the muzzies ass we can see tonsils. but I digress….
We didn’t allow shit Jeff We elected folks that decided what was best for me. AND we removed them afterwards, then we voted the Demorats in and oh yeah the economy really went down hill after that.
So Jeff you are a Marine? well I must say that suprises me, most Marines I know will not venture into a hostile area with out recon, and you sir ventured into a hot area for sure.
And I have thought that too, those of us that are older should have handled this, but Rummy wasn’t a spring chicken and GWB is no young buck either. Our guys over there were following orders, they were doing as they were told and the left, the media and the Berkeley faithful have done everything but hang em and you appeared to be helping them in your last post.
You say you are a patriot Jeff? I ask you this: when the folks in DC were protesting Afghanistan/Iraq and Shouting for amnesty for Illegals, and threatened the vietnam war memorial, what side were you walking on?
I spent 8 yrs in the Marines and can still shoot a quarter size group off hand at 75 feet with a 45 auto at 55yrs old.
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You are a liar…
Wait, let me correct that, you are a GODDAMNED liar…
And I did NOT bite my words…
Let me clarify, you may have been a Marine, I am not challenging you on that, but your bragging about a .25 coin groups at 75 feet?? Off hand?? Bull SHIT!
I was a gunsmith and spent my whole tour makin pistols and then spent the next 15 yrs building and competing in paper punching. Why are you so angry– you only make yourself look stupid/
@Jeff S: LMAO, yeah ok bud, you are a marksman and a Marine and whatever else you see fit to be, I am telling you that you are full of shit in your methods of “patriotism” you are not helping the boots on the ground and your whining is annoying. You haven’t got a clue about the big picture and your so-called patriotism we could do without.
Your previous post sounds like a typical libtard, and I have seen comments from you all over the net, YOU have not mentioned Marine, until here? why is that? not that I’m saying you are not, I find it odd is all.
Oh and IMO Murtha is on par with you as far as ANY Marine respect you are going to garner from me, and as long as you are speaking from the same side of the street as Code Pink, and all the surrender monkeys, take your worthless ass out of here.
Maybe it was an inch and a half but I don’t count any thing out of the center ring, ragged paper and such. When you have a one hole target…you have a one hole target.
We need to come to an agreement-that if all you disagree with is my pistol prowess then all the rest of my arguments may hold some water for you.
We need to be WE==not a divided country.
We need to be WE== not engulfed with a destiny laid out by hands we had no oportunity to guide.
We need to be WE–the people in a common purpose to resolve our differences and steer this nation to a better day.
We need to do this now-our hesitation will only cause the further death and hardship for all around the world.
Jeff, I am NOT angry, I just KNOW that your are a liar, it’s that simple, I knew, quite well, the shooters on that Team over the years and I don’t remember ANYONE by the name of Jeff, and we’re the same age… But that’s beside the point, my memory may not be that accurate, but neither are your skills…
JeffS “Maybe it was an inch and a half”
My my my, how the tale changes, and at 25 yards you’re still quite likely a dreamer…
JeffS, “When you have a one hole target…you have a one hole target.”
If you had a one hole target it’s because you fired one round, now take this bullshit off to somewhere that there’s an idiot that might believe you, or be impressed BY you, because it won’t happen here…
Ya know, let me retract that ‘dreamer’ thing, I am still pretty well convinced that GODDAMNED LIAR suits you much better…
Gunz, glad to see you, not BSing you either…
Now JeffS is the best pistolero since Wild Bill and was a Marine Armorer, imagine that… :P
Dear tex –what team are you talking about?
I just searched this whole page and the only word “team” was yours,.
You seem to be a big ole’exagerator….
Please tell me where we can meet to shoot this out..
Anywhere, anytime with guns not owned by either of us. Let this be at a recognized gun range with local rangemasters.
You talk big—I just used to shoot a whole lot and wanted us to get things together
I invite and encourage all the writers to buy a plane ticket as I will–so we can speak face to face before and after TEX and I shoot it out– where ever TEX choses. Anywhere in the United States, I am ready to be there, where ever and whenever he chooses. The gun choice will be determined and provided by the local Police department or gun range.
You’re still full of shit Mr. Armorer, and now I am pretty much convinced, you’re a fucking liar…
The only customs were for the Pistol team and a very select few Recon Marines…
And listen here slapnutz, I didn’t make ANY claims, not like you did, and yeah, you said cover with a quarter, that’s a lie, then maybe and inch and half, that’s a lie too…
One hole, one target?? That equates to one round dickhead…
And NO Dept is going to sanction anything like you’re suggesting, just further proof that you’re an asshat that’s full of shit…
PLEASE, you were all so ready to……hurt someone
PLEASE ENCOURAGE TEX to live out his dream and actually face someone he has defamed in your eyes on the internet.
You all seem to have so much involved and yet are so removed…..so away from the substance.
Please join us by flying in to be part of what you all have espoused.
Except that our competition cannot be be in Texas or Arizona.
Any place, anytime weapons not of our choice
Look dipshit, I made NO claims, you did, and I called you a fucking liar…
Ya know why?? Because you are… If you could punch holes like that you’d be in competition today, and if you are, lets see some proof, lets see the targets, some write-ups, WITH a copy of a dated local paper, in your hands…
You’re the one making the wild claims, just show the paper and the target, oh, and a pic of you doing the shooting will suffice..
Idiot…
My weapons are to punch paper as I tought thru my life time
And just for grins, why NOT Texas or Arizona, what have you got against shooting there?? A warrant for your arrest maybe??
Uh, would that be TAUGHT there genius??
Jeff S: Why are you using a SPOOF IP there Jeff?? What are you hiding?? Because one way it comes out invalid, another way it comes out Ottawa, U.S. Marine in Ottawa?? OK, I guess so… LMAO…
I taught my kids in Kenosha to see over the sight—beyond the sight.
I ran Tyson’s Sporting Goods gun department, (a store started in the 1920s) from 1976-1982. I was the gunsmith and had the dupicitious oportunity to have to serve questionable customers requesting quantities of ammo and guns while also servicing high end customers from Chicago’s corporate elite.
I had to sell guns/ammo to people I knew were NUTS but because they signed the 4473 Federal Firearms Investigative Personal form and said they weren’t NUTS–I HAD TO SELL IT TO THEM–EVEN THOUGH I SAW THEM BEING NUTS IN FRONT OF ME!
It was SO HARD to sell ammo to guys that spoke of, this was in the 1970’s, of survivalism and “the end of days” all that stuff–that was 40 yrs ago. It still makes me shiver to think I sold them guns and ammo back then.
Jeff S: I don’t give a DAMN about your life story, YOU are a LIAR, no one can shoot a group like that, at 25 yards, with ANY .45, it ain’t happening…
You can’t do it NOW, you never could do it and I never said I did do it…
I carry a Springfield XD-45 tactical at all times, as do my son and his wife, both of which are officers, both are on the SWAT team and I just got off the phone with BOTH of em…
I read your bullshit lie to them and the 1st words out of BOTH of them was, “C’mon Dad, you know that isn’t real”…
My son is a really good pistol hand, he said you’re full of shit, his wife is as good as he is and she said you’re full of shit, I KNOW what I can do NOW, and I know what I could do when I was shooting a Jim Clark Custom for several years, and even in my 20’s and 30’s I couldn’t begin to fire a group like that, and never saw anyone else that could either, and that include 3 trips to Camp Perry for the finals…
It’s your fantasy, live it or tell it how you please but don’t think that ridiculous bullshit is gonna fly here…
ANY AND ALL PLEASE JOIN TO MAKE A FOOL OF ME–Please make that flight — you all have more than enough money book to wherever you all want me to be–bring yourselves–because you can’t bring your guns. Bring yourselves, because you all need to learn–and you are all are so afraid….
Jeff S: Why not in Texas or Az?? And WHY are you SPOOFING your IP on the net?? What are you hiding??
Jeff S: And just for the record, some of us CAN bring OUR guns… But I am guessing that little tid-bit will escape your mental capability…
Jeff S: are you THAT flustered?? Your typing skills seem to be going away, or dyslexia kicked in… Say, you don’t drink and post do you?? That would explain a lot… :P
I just might be that good—anywhere, anytime.. DO IT NOW
or read what I wrote and think……..
Jeff, you really don’t need ANY help, you’ve made a fool of yourself all on your own…
Yeah Jeff, you just might be, and I just might be a well hung porno star too… LMAO @ you Jeff, you’re a pathetic little pissant wannabe… You can’t even keep your lies straight… I read what you wrote, and there was nothing to think about, you’re a liar, and that’s all there is to say…
Lots of big guys and big words — but no takers as to “anywhere anytime’”
Bring your own guns and I will bring mine.
Three calibers as per Camp Perry rules 22-38-45.
Or just a 22 as the masters taugh me
We will be shooting under Camp Perry rules.
Loser payes for EVERYTHING–flights –hotels–personnel–cabs–food and everything!
Anytime and anywhere, when you’re ready TEXASFRED..
You got a big mouth–put your money where your mouth is..
I’M WAITING YOU >>>>>?>>>> to appologize to the troops and me
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Damn Jeff, you have a real OCD thing working too I guess…
And I did NOT challenge you to a shooting contest, I never made any claims regarding MY ability, I questioned YOUR ability, I have nothing to prove, to YOU or anyone else…
I said YOU were a LIAR, I said YOU can’t do it, simply because, you can’t, you claimed to be able to do something that a .45 isn’t capable of, even when fired from a bench, in a vise…
Jeff, I am NOT the best pistolero in the USA, and you’re not either, but I shot with Bill Jordan, he is the man that taught me to shoot, I knew Bill very well, through him I met and was privileged to see men like Elmer Keith and Maj. George Nonte give the best pistol demonstrations that have ever been given, as well as seeing Bill Jordan do some absolutely magnificent demos, and he couldn’t do what YOU claim to be able to do…
Your claim to have the ability to free hand a .45, at 25 yards, and shoot a pattern that can be covered with a quarter is nothing more than the rants of an idiot that has NO idea how much of a fool he has just made of himself.
Seek help Jeff, you need it…
Put my money where MY mouth is?? I’ll tell ya what, I have $5,000 cash that says you’re a liar, let’s meet in Dallas, we’ll go to the range and you can prove me a liar, I’ll bring the video cam and you can shoot a .45, free hand, at 25 yards, and I have the quarter to check the group sizing…
Bring YOUR $5,000 and we’ll talk, face to face… I’ll PAY to see anyone shoot that group, in .45acp, at that range in that tight a group…
You have been called ASSHOLE… Pack your bag, pack your pistol, any .45 autoloader will be just fine, YOUR ammo, factory or custom, and bring your ass to Dallas…
Please join me as you watch me place rounds into the same hole — you’l either shut up or come and dual me
This isn’t about me and my guns although you have succeded in making it so.
This was about the wars and our global neglect.
Alas, I now have your home address–no I don’t but God help me I wish I did –so I could grab you by your fucking ears and hope that God would inspire you to be a better person than you are.
Jeff S: In other words you are just a chickenshit that can’t do what he says huh?? That’s what I figured, and if you want it Jeff, I’ll give you my home address, but I warn you, it’s not in your best interest to make threats, and it’s really not in your best interest to actually come to MY house and try to carry them out…
ANYTI<E ANY MOMENT===NOW
Dual me?? Dual me you say?? Are you equipped with tandems Jeff or are you just that damned stupid??
Dual?? LMAO, you ignorant wretch, it’s Duel, and once again your ignorance is showing…
I haven’t had this much fun in a long time, Jeff, you have given me some great entertainment, but I gotta get some sleep, I am totally worn out from LMAO at your dumbass… :P
Um, final tally Fred wins with logic, Jeff wins dumbass of the week award.
Oh, and the post it was in regards to folks like flip flop kerry, and Obama and I honestly believe mr Jeff has at least read some books about guns.
I am more of a close quarters type guy, Jeff. I have a few firearms, and plenty of ammo for them but I would never make a “Marksman” claim. Some folks find that offensive if you can’t back it up with some proof.
@TexasFred: And a sound thrashing was administered to yet another moonbat. LMAO
Fred, perhaps you should try being less logical? it might garner you some more friends..ROTFLMAO..
I personally know of your exploits “Tex” and I have only heard of boasts from Jeff, Most folks tend to hold on to their accomplishments until asked, well unless they are full of shit and try to benefit from the accomplishments of others. Just and opinion mind you, but I think there is something rotten inliberalville LOL
Some folks tend to offer up plane fair and meet you anywhere, well I will be your huckleberry there Jeffery…. only I don’t play for show, or skill with firearms, my skills are much more of close quarter type. I am sure I will hear how you were the martial art champion in your unit but I really don’t care….
I live in Riverside California and I occasionally do some traveling across our great country, just point me in the direction my good friend Jeff, and I’ll gladly buy you a beer and we can discuss your dislike of me and my friends….
Rob, he’s not just a moonbat, he’s a lying moonbat, I don’t care what his political leanings are but when he comes here and claims to be able to do the things he claimed, I gotta call bullshit..
I talked to Trey last night, he and his better half were rolling on this one, he was going to check with their range master and see if there was anyone, any where that had ever done that and then said, “Hell, why waste the time, I KNOW he’s a f*cking liar”…
And did you notice?? He never answered as to WHY he wouldn’t want to do the shooting in Texas or Arizona?? Nor did he answer why the IP Spoof thing…
And he sure backed off in a hurry when I told him, $5K, on the line…
Hell, we can sweeten it even more, $5K from him, $5K from me, a 3rd party holds the $$$, he shoots a .45 auto-loader, free hand, 8 rounds at 25 yards and if we can cover the group with a quarter, he walks off with $10K and a new Springfield XD-45, if we can’t cover the group with a quarter, I walk off with $10K and whatever he brings with him…
I can always use another $5K and a different pistol…
As long as I don’t have to change a flat on that dumb bastards *duals* :P
@TexasFred: Yeah man I noticed he never answered anything with anything other than what he read or his professors told him to say.. I hate that a person like him MIGHT have been a Marine at one time, but IMO that time was long gone for him.
For Jeffery:
Well, delayed is better than never I guess…
Jeff? I was born and raised on Camp Pendleton. I learned to shoot from the parking lot behind the NCO club at Las Pulgas. I hiked up mount mother (lover) as a Devil Pup, and yes, I represented the Camp Pendleton Junior NRA Team in 1964 and 1966. My NRA classification is Distinguished Master in three disciplines, and expert in two others.
Now, what does any of that have to do with this little thread? It has this, I have well tuned senses. I can smell bullshit even across the Internet. Tell you what, it’s not coming from Dallas…
Patrick Sperry: Now Patrick, you never know, JeffBS might be able to really do it, I have $5K and a new XD that says he can’t but for some reason the dumb son of a bitch cleared the AO…
Might be a good thing too… :P
LMAO Pat said “I have well tuned senses. I can smell bullshit even across the Internet. Tell you what, it’s not coming from Dallas…”
I think I broke a gut muscle on that one.
Yeah Fred, I think yall dun scared the boy away.
Advice for Jeffy:
When reading about what OTHERS have done, and trying to make it your own, you might want to make sure whoever told you that wasn’t full of shit too. LMAO
Well? When that dipshit shows, call me, and we will see if he can even out shoot me with my worn out eyes, and my poor old Ruger Blackhawk 41 Magnum…
@Patrick Sperry: I think you might be waiting a while… It appears Jeff has left the building, might be the sight of ACTUAL folks that ACTUALLY know what they are talking about that put a fear in him.
Robert: Surely it wasn’t me pointing out the fact that he IS a fucknozzle, a liar and a basic moron??
Gosh, I hope not, but, you never know, some people just can’t handle the truth…
And if he comes back I am guessing he’ll want to challenge us ALL to a *dual*… :P