What would it take to get you excited about McCain in the general election?
The reason I ask is; The feeling around the blogs appears to range from disgust, to joyful exuberance when McCain is brought up.
MY OPINION: Is utter disgust at the choice we have to make, and if I thought for a minute Obama would be better man for the job I’d voice my support for him. There are only TWO things McCain has going for him, ONE is he is not OBAMA, two is HE IS NOT OBAMA!
Obama is the most liberal person to ever be this close to election, Jimmah Carter was close but I think Obama is even further left.
For me, what would get me happy about the upcoming election is a good VP choice.
If McCain picks The Gov of LA. that would be ok, don’t know if they can win but I’d be a little less disgusted. A winning ticket would be a McCain/Colin Powell ticket… Not going to happen but it would be a dream ticket for the GOP since OBAMA can pretty much count on MOST of the Black vote even if they know he would be a bad choice. HE’s BLACK and that appears to be the biggest thing going for Obama…. Racist??? Not hardly but telling it like it is. The BIGGEST THING for McCain is HE IS WHITE! is that better? Race appears to be the dividing issue according to the media and other pollsters.
If Obama picks Edwards, that ticket would be so far left it would only get votes from Code Pinko and a few others, I think a lot of moderate Dems would abandon ship and head to McCain.
If Obama did pick Hilary that might seal it for the Demorats.
I am just thinking out loud here but as far as close to home issues go I think we are HOSED either way.
sigh.
I hope I don’t run afoul of Obama’s support staff.
UPDATE: This is (and has been) a great discussion, and I thank all of you folks for dropping by, some of you I have talked to before, some I had not met.
I also appreciate the fact that we can have a decent discussion without anyone being called a racist or redneck bog dwelling hick…
I placed every commenter’s links (if you had a blog) on my side bar,(if you don’t want me to link to you, either email me or leave a comment of removal on any thread and l will remove the link) and I will be trying to get around to your sites over this weekend.
This kind of comment thread makes me glad I didn’t give up blogging, THIS is why I wanted to blog.
The results after a whole day of comments:
Most of us will vote for McCain, since they only have two choices. They will hold their nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. They are hoping for McCain to pick a strong VP and they will hope that McCain will at least pick “Right” leaning SCOTUS Judges.
Some folks have decided to NOT vote or they will write in as a matter of principle, and I can certainly understand that feeling.
Myself I am kind of in the middle between the two, I really don’t want to vote for McCain, I can’t stand his Illegal Immigration stance and I think the Border control issue is going to sink McCain’s chances.
SEE THIS McCain calls for comprehensive immigration reform at private meeting with Hispanic Republicans
It’s one thing to say you are pushing for Immigration Reform, it’s quite another thing to have already been involved in an attempt to REFORM IMMIGRATION.
McCain tried to ram amnesty down our throats under cover of McCain/Kennedy/Bush and night fall, a real trust issue for the people IMO.
Well the thread is still open… Have a great day…..
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Sorry, folks. I cannot vote for McCain under any circumstances. I am finished with casting my vote for the lesser of two evils. I am a life-long conservative Republican tired to my bone marrow at being “suckered” over and over again. Not this time. No. Not this time.
@Wild Thing: Great comment and I honestly didn’t know some of that stuff I will be doing some homework on that for sure.
BTW miss Thing You don’t remember me? we haven’t talked in while but I used visit your site a lot. Thanks for stopping by again.
The site you were used to seeing was a lot different.
@Big Dog: Thanks for keeping me honest. LOL
You say “ONE is he is not OBAMA, two is HE IS NOT OBAMA!”. That about sums it up.
I cannot get excited about McCain. He and I agree on very little, but look at the alternative.
If he would choose a true Conservative VP, I might lift a finger to support him. There really ARE a lot of good choices. But knowing McCain he WON’T pick one, that might offend his friends across the isle
Debbie Hamilton
Right Truth
@Longstreet: You are not alone, there are quite a few folks that are leaning in that direction that is why I asked the question. The thought of Obama being in the white house worries me, but my principles and my beliefs being sold out to keep a FAR LEFTY out is a tough sell.
You want to hear something really bad????
Had Hillary won the Democrat Nomination I would have voted for her, no questions asked.
I wouldn’t have stumped for her, nor would I have told anyone I was going too, but I would have stuck to my No McCain guns. Now I don’t know.
Excited Pfffft………
The only half way positive thing is Judicial appointments. Otherwise I could get excited ONLY if McRino jumped into a telephone booth and came out a new Superman with the energy of my 5 year old son and the brain of Fred Thompson……….. Unfortunately we all know how hard it is to find a telephone booth these days.
@Debbie: I am not sure I’d lift a finger to support him, nor will I defend him in debate as of now.
When GWB was doing the right things I supported him full tilt, I still support him in certain situations but for the most part I am ANTI-Bush, his Border security, his amnesty push told me all I wanted know about the POTUS and frankly I don’t see much difference between him and McCain. But Obama and a DEMORAT congress would open the border give them medical/education/ more than now and make business pay for it, which hurts us in the global competition.
Tough question. And the answer is that NOTHING can get me excited about McCain, not even if he picks a universally loved VP. However, I’ll vote for him before I’d ever vote for a socialist and liar like Obama. That the American people can’t see through the Obamamessiah really scares me.
I’m with many of the others here — the only thing that will get me excited about McCain is hearing that he’s quitting, resigning, or some other way will not be the Republican candidate. The parties are useless. The Democrats are way left and the Republicans are just medium leftists. Obama and McCain are both communists — seriously, look at their plans for the money I work and earn.
@Ogre: Hey Ogre welcome back, I cleaned up a little…..Don’t spill no beer!
Yeah I agree with that assessment. And truthfully that is another advantage McCain has over Obama, al be it a small one, McCain is (well, at least now) supporting the Bush tax cuts. Obama says he’ll cut them for the top earners, that is a flaw in the thinking of Demorats.
Taking money from the richest, costs jobs and drives the economy in the tank, look at what has happened since 2004, and the Demorats only control the houses of congress.
@GM Roper: Hey GM, yeah That is a problem, the uneducated voter and believe me there are a lot of them. Folks that see race as the underlying issue either for or against will decide the election. Fortunately for McCain he has a large Hispanic contingent that is supporting him. I am not sure if they can over come Obama’s “people” in voting numbers.
Nagdabit! Here I’m hoping someone will give me a good reason to get excited about McFeingold, and what happens? sigh…
Well, two good points that were brought up…..a good CONSERVATIVE Veep, and the SCOTUS. Oh, and what E said about the energy of his young’un.
Well, I can understand why some folks are saying they won’t vote, but throwing away the presidency to that worthless socialist is totally unacceptable.
We’re all still scratching our heads wondering what the heck happened! The NY Slimes picked our nominee. Something just stinks to high heaven here. Or, to quote a line from a movie… “like yesterday dirty diaper”!
@Robert. So far, Ron Paul comes the closest of any of the PUBS to being an Old Right Conservative. My first vote was for Barry Goldwater, and I thought over the years, we would never see another one in my lifetime. That included Ronnie Reagan. Ron Paul has come the closest. Most of the other psuedo-conservatives that ran were all Big Government, big spending by big borrowing clowns that had no clue as to what we needed to return to. I made my case in several threads on several forums. The sheeple have spoken, they continue to want Bread and Circuses. They can do it without me. Oh, they’ll steal my money in the name of paying for government, welfare, and war, but it will have to be at the point of a gun, which is all the Income Tax is. They certainly will not get my donations and/or my vote.
@Shooterman: You know, I am not nor have I ever been a fan of Ron Paul, he had some outdated views that were quite frankly rendered mute and it’s not possible to go back in time and make those ideals work in today s world.
That being said, I would have voted for Paul over Obama and been much more excited than I am now. I am not sure I can abstain from voting, and I’m damn sure not going to vote for Obama but if McCain wins I’ll be his biggest critic so he better be right in his job performance.. You know how that is going to scare him?????? LMAO
@Kate: The SCOTUS possibilities are the ONLY reason I can vote for him at all, the hope that the appointments HE makes would be more Common Sense oriented than OBAMA’s.
I probably would have voted for Collin Powell too.I had hoped he would run.
( Sooooo, I guess that “clears ” me of being a racist ?? ).
I CAN`T believe the Republicans couldn`t do any better …
GOD Bless America, Y`all. Now more than ever.
@Phred: Well Phred, in most eyes it would, but in liberal eyes it only says you feel guilty for the many years of oppression YOU inflicted on the Black man 100+years ago, and you are still harboring racist tendencies that can only be absolved if you vote for Obama..
Luckily Most of us including yourself, apparently don’t see race in everything.
Whoa! You mean Colin Powell is black?
Kate, yes he is and if he would run I would be all over it in support… Powell is, in MY opinion, one great man, but I don’t think he’ll put up with the BS from the folks that think they run America, Generals are funny about that, they KNOW they run stuff, and as POTUS, he’d have a hell of a command…
Dang! Did anyone tell the other black folk? cuz the way they treated him…. Hmmm..
@Kate: Evidently not. Did you hear that Obama said exactly same thing to Black fathers that Bill Cosby said, Obama gets applause, and not a negative word mentioned in the media, Bill Cosby is a sell out, an uncle tom and has no idea what he is talking about….. You figure out haw that works.
E, now that was funny, and true.. can’t find a phone booth and if we did it would be full of folks trying to text each other and having no luck. LOL
C. Powell?? NO WAY! He’s an oportunist. McCain is worse than Bush: close Guantanamo, not pro-life, gang of 14, of 7, Feingold, so on…
Voting for lesser of two evils, is still voring for an EVIL. We have to vote based on principles, or else the conservative movement will never come back. They see that they can get enough votes without conservative principles.
Everything McCain will say, will say it just to get the votes, not because he’ll believe it.
@cristina: I am in full agreement with you mrs.Cristina.
However what ar willing to lose? FOUR years of McCain (with a few Bush traits) that might appoint a RIGHT leaning SCOTUS Judge, or stand by our principles and either abstain or write in a name which more than likely will seal the job for Obama, WHO WILL tilt the court far left.
There is a serious quandry the fine GOP put the conservative base in.
But wait it gets better. You remember after Clinton, the nation was ready for move Right? well that same feeling is back only opposite, the country appears ready for a left turn and at precisely the wrong time in the world.
Sidenote : About slavery , did you know that it was Black people that sold Black people into slavery to the White people in the first place ?
Fred is right, Powell has experience in leadership, and doing what is called for to achieve an objective. And he must have some kind of people skills and political savy – he made General.
PS – I have done extensive genealogy work on my family and they didn`t own any slaves but the MSM still says I owe them something. BS
PSS – They will also tell you that the Civil War was about slavery. BS
It was about power and money – just like always.
The only positive thing about McCain is that he is old enough to die of natural causes in office. Namely, with his temper just about anything could cause a stroke or a heart attack. The correct VP choice is our only hope.
I don’t know if Steele or that LA Governor Jendohal (What ever). Tancredo would go a long way in my book.
We need someone who will solve the Illegal issue and someone who will appoint conservative judges. Past that, we need them to shut up and keep the congress from doing anything at all. We can’t afford anymore democratic legislation. Not even one more tax and grab scheme.
The Drill now attitude has brought him up in favor from zero to 5%. Obama has a negative rating and would destroy this nation given a democratic congress.
I will ultimately be voting against Obama no matter what.
@ablur: That is the truth as well Ablur, If he picked a good VP the majority of McCain voters (should he win) would be hoping for a natural cause event I think. That is a very sad state to be in but it might become reality.
The Judges, the Battle against Terror are all McCain really offers over Obama, but that is enough in my book.
Ablur, that Louisiana Governor is Bobby Jindal, and that guy is the best thing to EVER happen to Louisiana, I hope he stays where he is, but him or Hunter or Tancredo would be about ALL that would get me to vote for McCain, and then it would strictly be in hopes of, as YOU said, stroking out during a temper tantrum…
And a Fred Thompson VP?? Not a chance in hell, then we get old and angry along with old and lazy, Thompson really pissed in a lot of Cheerios…
The only way I could get excited about McCain is if he picked a really solid conservative and then resigned from the race the day of the Republican National Convention.
Reagan-Goldwater in 2008 !!!
@Robert. Well, Sir, I am of that old school with those outdated views, as well. There are few of us left.
@Shooterman: What outdated views Shooter? Some folks consider the “Tell it like it is” View and action as refreshing, that is the way I view it.
The view that we must curtail our speech in order not to offend is by all rights a good idea if possible, however once you bring up a topic like Illegal Immigration you become a target of the race baiter’s.
I am not sure if that is what you meant by old school.
@Robert. I believe very simply in the following things;
Going to war only when that war is just and we’ve been attacked. That does not include trying to export democracy at the point of a gun and pre-emptive war.
I believe in a strong specie currency; FIAT money will be the doom of us. Central Banks were anathema to all but a few of the Founders. The Central Bank by pumping too much money into the system are the cause of most of our financial woes
I believe in the rights of man above all else. George Mason, who wrote the Bill of Rights was such a strong supporter of the Rights of Man, he would not approve of the Constitution, without a Bill of Rights. I believe they take precedent over all other aspects of government.
I believe ever since the days of Dishonest Abe Lincoln, our country has ran roughshod over mens rights and the Rights of the States ( actually a misnomer, as governments only have powers, not rights )
Our nation has become an empire- it has ceased being a Republic.
That’s a few of my outdated views, Robert.
@Shooterman: I don’t disagree with a few of those, except the first one and only part of that.
“Going to war only when that war is just and we’ve been attacked. That does not include trying to export democracy at the point of a gun and pre-emptive war.”
When is war just? I mean Afghanistan IMO was just, Iraq IMO was just if the intel was correct..THE WAY THEY WERE CONDUCTED is my problem with both of those instances.
We shouldn’t have to wait for an attack before we strike, that was an outdated view that IMO doesn’t take into account the ability of folks and countries to wipe out LARGE numbers of civilians now that they didn’t have in the WW2 era. NUCLEAR weapons changed the rules. IMO.
I don’t discuss Iraq anymore the reason is I am not happy about the way things have been done there but I refuse to condemn the conflict to failure while our guys are still in combat.
But the rest of your so called “Outdated views” are not only accurate and I agree with them, however you can’t go back in time and change the decisions that were made. The reason Ron Paul didn’t do better is he didn’t say how he would “Put the genie back in the bottle” so to speak, you cant support the lazy SOB’s for 3 generations and then say “You are on your own” You can’t offer support to the world in the advancement of freedom and democracy and then turn the funding off, you cant change the country to gold standard in one fell swoop, when for the last 50 years we have done it this way….he never once articulated his plans to MOVE in that direction he just blamed and blamed and poointed out flaws.
Like I said Shooter I would vote for RP before I vote for McCain, just because he has one more check mark beside his name in the “GOOD” column, that being the border.
@Robert. I fully understood and endorsed the war against Afghanistan. Bin Laden ( remember him ) was the financier and instigator of the attack on the WTC. For about three months we were ‘gung ho’ to track the bugger down and make him pay. Whups! Now, it’s Bin Who? Those pushing for the base in the Mid East from which to let democracy be a shining example, could easily have made Afghanistan that base. Saddam was a bad dude, but the only thing holding the Sunnis and Shias at bay. Intel seemed a might shaky at best, eh?
I am glad Mr Bush was not President during the Cold War, as we would all be buried under glass.
Ron Paul may not have been a lot of people’s cup of tea, but let’s face it, during the debates, he got very little air time, as did Tancredo and Hunter. Hard to explain your points when being ignored. Of course the Big Clowns such as Guili Girl, Mitzi, and the clown of all clowns, Uncle Freddy, got a lot of time. McAmnesty was dead in the water a year ago, and suddenly got the money to win the nomination. Okay.
That’s all water under the bridge, now. We’ll continue our headlong rush to the edge of the cliff, whether at 90 mph with the Socialists DIMS or at 85 mph with the Socialist Lite PUBS. Each succeeding cycle will find the candidates moving farther and farther to the left; after all, that is what the sheeple want. Bread and Circuses
To be truly excited he would have to drop out of the race and endorse Fred Thompson. Of Course Fred would have to agree with this. My excitement has been rotting in the hall since Fred dropped out of the race.
I suppose the next best thing would be if Fred was the VP.
@Malagent: That would sure help, and I was an avid supporter of FT’s run, but he didn’t seem like he really wanted it until it was too late.
If F.T decided to be on the ticket it might help.
The problem with FT being VP, though, is he’s already said he wouldn’t accept. Which was a total downer in my book. That’s why I was excited that FT at least was having some sort of advisory role in the Court arena.
@Miss Beth: Yeah, we talked about that, do you think McCain will listen to his advisers or will he be the “Decider”?
At least McCain held on to F.T in some capacity it gives us a small glimmer of hope…