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A really POLITICAL Question:

What would it take to get you excited about McCain in the general election?

The reason I ask is; The feeling around the blogs appears to range from disgust, to joyful exuberance when McCain is brought up.

MY OPINION: Is utter disgust at the choice we have to make, and if I thought for a minute Obama would be better man for the job I’d voice my support for him. There are only TWO things McCain has going for him, ONE is he is not OBAMA, two is HE IS NOT OBAMA!

Obama is the most liberal person to ever be this close to election, Jimmah Carter was close but I think Obama is even further left.

For me, what would get me happy about the upcoming election is a good VP choice.

If McCain picks The Gov of LA. that would be ok, don’t know if they can win but I’d be a little less disgusted. A winning ticket would be a McCain/Colin Powell ticket… Not going to happen but it would be a dream ticket for the GOP since OBAMA can pretty much count on MOST of the Black vote even if they know he would be a bad choice. HE’s BLACK and that appears to be the biggest thing going for Obama…. Racist??? Not hardly but telling it like it is. The BIGGEST THING for McCain is HE IS WHITE! is that better? Race appears to be the dividing issue according to the media and other pollsters.

If Obama picks Edwards, that ticket would be so far left it would only get votes from Code Pinko and a few others, I think a lot of moderate Dems would abandon ship and head to McCain.

If Obama did pick Hilary that might seal it for the Demorats.

I am just thinking out loud here but as far as close to home issues go I think we are HOSED either way.

sigh.

I hope I don’t run afoul of Obama’s support staff.

Obama Support staff

UPDATE: This is (and has been) a great discussion, and I thank all of you folks for dropping by, some of you I have talked to before, some I had not met.

I also appreciate the fact that we can have a decent discussion without anyone being called a racist or redneck bog dwelling hick…

I placed every commenter’s links (if you had a blog) on my side bar,(if you don’t want me to link to you, either email me or leave a comment of removal on any thread and l will remove the link) and I will be trying to get around to your sites over this weekend.

This kind of comment thread makes me glad I didn’t give up blogging, THIS is why I wanted to blog.

The results after a whole day of comments:
Most of us will vote for McCain, since they only have two choices. They will hold their nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. They are hoping for McCain to pick a strong VP and they will hope that McCain will at least pick “Right” leaning SCOTUS Judges.

Some folks have decided to NOT vote or they will write in as a matter of principle, and I can certainly understand that feeling.

Myself I am kind of in the middle between the two, I really don’t want to vote for McCain, I can’t stand his Illegal Immigration stance and I think the Border control issue is going to sink McCain’s chances.

SEE THIS McCain calls for comprehensive immigration reform at private meeting with Hispanic Republicans

It’s one thing to say you are pushing for Immigration Reform, it’s quite another thing to have already been involved in an attempt to REFORM IMMIGRATION.

McCain tried to ram amnesty down our throats under cover of McCain/Kennedy/Bush and night fall, a real trust issue for the people IMO.

Well the thread is still open… Have a great day…..

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88 Responses to “A really POLITICAL Question:”

  1. TexasFred Says:

    I don’t think I can get excited by McCain, he’s as Lib as any libber, he’s a gun grabber, he’s GWB all over again, that’s my opinion any way…

    I was talking to my buddy at A Well Regulated Militia last night, he went to the NRA convention a couple of weeks ago and said, bluntly, McCain is NO friend of gun owners, and McCain got a very COLD reception too…

    We discussed this while I was ordering my new Springfield XD-45 Tactical last night… :P

    Obama is even worse in MY opinion..

    And as you have said, the only GOOD thing you can say about McCain is, He’s NOT Obama.

  2. Miss Beth Says:

    I was going through my morning reading and came across this at RCP: Fred Thompson to pick McCain’s Judges. Things like THIS go a long way toward getting me excited about McCain because Fred has the legal knowledge and background to know what would make a good, qualified judge–and he’s conservative.  Please, before you think I’m living in the land of non-reality and can’t get over Fred not being the nominee, let me explain.Just when we think we can understand McCain (granted, we may not like a lot of what he does, but I really don’t see the flip flops–I do see straight talk and sticking to his guns, even when he’s wrong) he pulls a liberal idiocy.  Something like this shows he acknowledges, he KNOWS he has some problems in the conservative areas and while he may not make a big fanfare of them, he is thinking of those areas and how to deal with them properly.  Having Fred help choose the judges shows McCain is thinking and starting to show who he would surround himself with advisor-wise. It shows wisdom in surrounding himself with good conservatives who can keep him on track with conservatives.  Fred is also known as a straight-talker himself, not much given to prevarication.Judges are a SERIOUS issue in this election and McCain shows wisdom.  If he were to show MORE wisdom along these lines, he would make significant inroads with conservatives–I think, anyway.I become disgusted with McCain with his immigration stands, his “green” sell-out and things like this.  He needs to quit trying to buy into the current nonsense and stick to American principles–he needs to reach across the aisle less and stand on the conservative foundation more.Just my two cents worth.

  3. cary - Botan Ichihara Says:

    How can yo make a liberal, pro-illegal immigration RINO palatable to the conservative voting base that is most of the US any more?That is a toughie.Uhm – I guess a complete turnaround on his border stance would be out of the question, since we all know how flip-flopping politicians are viewed.  MAYBE a strong, strong VEEP candidate.  The choice would have to be someone who really could be counted on to control the border and gun issues.  I can’t think of anyone in the Republican party right now strong enough to do both, with the exception of a former pres. candidate or two.I really cannot even begin to think how McCain would be palatable to the general population.  Most conservatives here in Arizona want him out of politics altogether.

  4. cary - Botan Ichihara Says:

    Just out of curiosity, why do my comments always get mashed together?  It’s like there’s no formatting going on.

  5. Robert Says:

    @Miss Beth: I am glad you are excited about McCain Beth, I truly am. I am (on the other hand) not happy in the least about our choices, I feel that John McCain is more Dem than Conservative and that bothers me a little, BUT the biggest worry I have is the BORDER, I am a staunch opponent of open borders and amnesty both of which McCain supports.

    I will probably hold my nose and vote for the man but jeez WHY do we have to settle for the lesser of two evils? I hope he gets elected for ONE reason and that is as you say the judicial appointments.

  6. Robert Says:

    @cary – Botan Ichihara: Amen Cary and MOST real conservatives are not in the least bit excited about McCain being POTUS, they will vote for him because he’s not Obama but the difference is really not that great.

  7. Ranando Says:

    What would it take to get you excited about McCain in the general election?Seeing his daughter naked!!!!!!!

  8. Robert Says:

    @cary – Botan Ichihara: This is on the list to repair Cary, I have been looking into it. I added the comment tools a while ago and ever since they were added we have had the issue, I had been trying to make it work but I think 2.5.1 wordpress is being a pain in the but with the plugin.

  9. Katie Says:

    I can’t get excited at any politician any more.  I think I’ve become jaded in my thinking.  I don’t vote for a candidate, but against the opponent.  That’s a shame.  I wish I could get excited, but I haven’t found a candidate that I really like.

  10. jo Says:

    Pick Colin PowellEtch in stone and sign in blood he will get rid of the illegals, and get our border patrol released from prison …..wouldn’t really excite me but it would get him my vote.

  11. jo Says:

    Yeah…what Cary said about formatting. The above wasn’t supposed to run together. :-p

  12. Aaron "Elephant Forum" Says:

    The only way I could get excited about McCain is that he nominate a good conservative VP and then declare that he will resign the day of the Republican Convention…not going to happen, but that is what it would take.

  13. cary - Botan Ichihara Says:

    Thanks for the info on the fix.  Now, for a bit of levity, just imagine what the military will be like when either of these clowns get elected.  Parades will have to be held on circular routes, in a clockwise direction.  (wait for it…)

  14. Miss Beth Says:

    ROTFL Ranando!Let me clarify, y’all–I am NOT excited about McCain in the least–especially here in Arizona. I too will hold my nose and vote for him (our morning radio talk show host, Jon Justice, says it best “Suck it up in 08″) but only because there IS no alternative!I’m excited by who it appears he’s surrounding himself with (I’ll admit I was totally pro-Fred).  I’m thoroughly disgusted  with McCain’s border stance and his “giving in” to the green nonsense–among other things.  At times I’ve wondered (from some of his bizarre stands) if he doesn’t suffer from a type of lingering Stockholm Syndrome from his pow days.Please–McCain himself doesn’t excite me–advisers like Fred DO. ;)

  15. Robert Says:

    @cary – Botan Ichihara: Ok Cary I disabled the plugin I hope that takes care of it.

  16. RTaylor Says:

    If he were Mel Gibson, I could get excited (oh, sorry, wrong kind of excitement)…Nope.. nothing to get me excited about McCain….  I’m thinking about writing in Glenn Beck……

  17. Mike Landfair Says:

    What IS getting me excited is his new approach to the energy crisis.
    Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less.

  18. Robert Says:

    @cary – Botan Ichihara: LMAO circles… Oh man.

  19. Robert Says:

    @Miss Beth: I like McCain’s pick for advisers so far, but remember Beth and adviser is good, but listening to the right adviser and making decisions that the advisers recommend are paramount. Had BUSH listened to his advisers like Colin Powell or SEVERAL others he wouldn’t have the lowest approval rating since Jimmah Carter. And from what I hear Mccain is the “Decider” type.

  20. cary - Botan Ichihara Says:

    Yeah, circles.

    But, they’re disappointed when they realize their cadence of “Left, Left, Left, Left, Left, Left” keeps turning the troops to the right…

  21. The BoBo Says:

    Sorry – but – there’s no way in hell I can vote for McCain. He’s just one step away to the right of Obama anyway. This guy has thrown the conservative base under the bus one too many times. I’m doing a write-in vote this year. This will be the very first time that I did not vote for the Republican candidate in an election.

  22. cary - Botan Ichihara Says:

    Looks like it did fix. Good on ya!

  23. Robert Says:

    @The BoBo: Hey BoBo thanks for dropping by, BUT if Obama wins are you going to be happy with the possibility of our SCOTUS going further LEFT?
    This is the potential deal breaker. the appointments the next POTUS makes are going to be around a long time and can take us back even further in moral decay.

  24. Sam Pierce Says:

    The only thing McAmnesty could do to get me excited would be to stand up at the convention and say “I was only joking! I am withdrawing from the contest.”

  25. Jenn Says:

    Well if McCain renounced La Raza, ran with Fred Thompson or Duncan Hunter as Vice, sang bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran while actually doing it and told the eco nazi’s to stick it up their collective chocolate wizzways and said we were going to drill like there is no tomorrow wherever the hell we want, then I’d maybe be able to muster some excitement.

    Some.

  26. Robert Says:

    @cary – Botan Ichihara: I figured it out Cary, LMAO that was hilarious

  27. Robert Says:

    @Jenn: Damn Jenn LMAO Yeah that would probably do it for me too. I’m Rolling over here.

  28. Robert Says:

    @Sam Pierce: Yeah Sam that would work too.

  29. cary - Botan Ichihara Says:

    I don’t know, Jenn – he’s still McCain.

    Although, the fact that the First Lady is the Beer Queen of the universe (and not difficult to view, at all) is almost enough to get me to think about voting for him.

  30. TexasFred Says:

    Cindy is basically HOT!!

  31. Miss Beth Says:

    Dang Jenn, I LOVE your way of thinking! Just the “visual” of what you describe has me ROLLING here (stop, I can’t breathe–heehee).

    Robert, you are absolutely right on. The best advisors in the world can’t do anything if the person they’re advising won’t listen.

    I’ll stick with my adviser excitement, but jump into Jenn’s square–if that’s okay!

  32. Cappy Says:

    I’m not excited, but BFHD. We gets two choices this fall. Count ‘em, two. Been down that road in Ohio with the last goobernatorial election. The GOP had the perfect candidate, and he got slaughtered. Make it one-sided for too long and you won’t even get candidates showing up to run at all, like here in Cleveland.

  33. Gawfer Says:

    The thing that would most get me fired up about McCMain is an outspoken acknowledgement of the border crisis, and an outline of how he is gonna secure it.

    I want to hear him say the biggest threat we as a sovereign nation face is the continuation of people crossing the border illegally. This is not a race issue as some morons want to make it, but a national security issue that is out of control.

    We have on numerous occasions documented individuals of Middle East and African descent crossing and then disappearing into the landscape; this makes me very nervous and trigger happy. I also want to her him say he will level stiff fines, penalties and even jail time for employers who hire said crossers.

    The side benefits of closing the border would be of course the eventual alleviation of illegal immigrants seeking employment, clogging our hospitals and freeways, and systematically rooting out and defeating gang the activity that has overtaken the LA Basin.

    That is what will get me fired up about McCain.

  34. Robert Says:

    @Gawfer: AGREED GAWFER! Now that would do it too.

  35. Robert Says:

    @Cappy: Yep and the lefty libs are drooling at the thought of that. But how do we curtail that?

  36. Robert Says:

    @Miss Beth: Yeah Jenn has a way with words and I think a lot of folks are filling up that square as well.

  37. Robert Says:

    @TexasFred: YEAH she is Fred, it will be interesting to see what she does with all of her AB stock though with this InBev thing… she stands to make a ton of money and if she is part of the sell crowd it will be front line obama attack time..

  38. jo Says:

    Damn…Gawfer said it 10000000 x better than I ever could !

  39. TexasFred Says:

    Don’t be goofin’ on Gawfer Jo, Jenn has 1st dibs… LMAO.. :P

  40. Kate Says:

    Dang! I’ve been thinking about this for a couple of hours now, and honestly, I can’t think of one dadburn thing that will get me excited about him. Oh, I’ll probably vote for him, cuz I sure as hell don’t want to see B. Hussein in the Oval Office, but….

    Crap. Just crap! :?

  41. Robert Says:

    @Kate: Unfortunately Kate that’s exactly the problem. NO sane person of any color wants the kind of “Change” a B. Husein Obama brings to the White House. BUT why are we settling for a “Slightly Right” version of him?

    The only real differences I see are in Troop support, and health care. Everything else they discuss they are virtually spining the same BS.

    McCain feels supporting the troops means allowing them to finish the job. WITHOUT a timetable.
    Obama Feels the war in Iraq is done and he will put out a TIMETABLE for a phased withdrawal…..
    The difference in this issue is “TIMETABLE or not… McCain will be phasing a withdrawal without tipping his hand, Obama is dumb enough to announce it.

  42. Patrick Sperry Says:

    He cannot be made acceptable, period. I am sick of choosing the lessor of two evils. A plane crash, a heart attack. Those things followed by brokered conventions, and our country may have a chance.

    Tom Tancredo for President!

  43. Big Dog Says:

    I agree with some of what McCain does and none of Obama so it comes down to voting for someone who has some of my convictions as opposed to someone who has none.
    Excited? I think not. McCain is as exciting as a bowl of beets but he will be somewhat better for us than Obambi.
    I would like to see him consider Michael Steele as VP.

  44. Big Dog Says:

    I just put a br tag when I wanted a break. BW, this should happen automatically…

  45. Shooterman Says:

    As Fred knows me and basically where I come from, I’ll say this about McCain. I am convinced the RNC has given the PUBS what they have determined the PUBS want. The trend has been to the left, even among so called conservatives, who mostly speaking, wouldn’t know a conservative if he smacked them upside the head. By making McCain the sacrificial lamb this cycle, as they did with Dole in ‘96, there is a high probability the next turkey to get the nomination will be even farther left. The elites from both parties are rapidly driving us to the edge of oblivion, as a nation.

    Remember, though there may be some good people in the ranks of the PUBS, the Party was conceived in iniquity and fired in the crucible of a murderous war, and seems to have come full circle. As it stands, and I do not think I will change my mind, my days of voting for the Evil of Two Lessors are over. I will write in either Ron Paul or Cornelius Dirt Fudrucker, though I don’t want the job.

  46. Robert Says:

    @Big Dog: I was under the assumption the issue was fixed…. Please try again and let me know the result, It appears to be repaired on my end.

  47. Robert Says:

    @Shooterman: Well I wouldn’t go so far as writing in RP but truthfully I would have voted for him with a little less apprehension than I will have for McCain.

    At least RP was a staunch supporter of Border security and THAT is the issue of the greatest importance for me and others.

  48. Big Dog Says:

    Hey BW,
    I think I wrote my stuff after you fixed this.

    Sorry for the confusion.

  49. Wild Thing Says:

    This is a good question. And I will be honest about this there is nothing that will ever be able to get me excited about McCain.
    My number one complaint and it goes downhill from there is how McCain abandoned the POWs/MIAs in Vietnam and he made sure future POWs/MIAs would get the shaft too. He turned his back on fellow Vietnam POWs in 1992.
    During the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, he worked hand in hand with his Sen. John Kerry, the panel’s co-chairman, to discredit voluminous evidence indicating that Vietnam was still held a sizeable numbers of U.S. servicemen alive after the prisoner return in 1973.
    McCain stood out because he “always showed up for the committee hearings where witnesses were going to talk about specific pieces of evidence. He would belittle and berate these witnesses, questioning their patriotism and otherwise scoffing at their credibility. All of this is on record in the National Archives . . . ”

    Then there is a long list of other things I have no respect for him about. He is a rino from head to toe.

    OK, so the question is what would it take for me to get excited about McCain. Nothing.
    I pray he picks a conservative as his VP, that would help in terms of what the future might hold. But excited would mean I would campagin for him and that I can’t do.
    McCain needs to take a conservative stand on drilling NOW that would be a big step for sure.

    Thanks for the question, love your blog.

  50. Longstreet Says:

    Sorry, folks. I cannot vote for McCain under any circumstances. I am finished with casting my vote for the lesser of two evils. I am a life-long conservative Republican tired to my bone marrow at being “suckered” over and over again. Not this time. No. Not this time.

  51. Robert Says:

    @Wild Thing: Great comment and I honestly didn’t know some of that stuff I will be doing some homework on that for sure.

    BTW miss Thing You don’t remember me? we haven’t talked in while but I used visit your site a lot. Thanks for stopping by again.

    The site you were used to seeing was a lot different.

  52. Robert Says:

    @Big Dog: Thanks for keeping me honest. LOL

  53. Debbie Says:

    You say “ONE is he is not OBAMA, two is HE IS NOT OBAMA!”. That about sums it up.

    I cannot get excited about McCain. He and I agree on very little, but look at the alternative.

    If he would choose a true Conservative VP, I might lift a finger to support him. There really ARE a lot of good choices. But knowing McCain he WON’T pick one, that might offend his friends across the isle

    Debbie Hamilton
    Right Truth

  54. Robert Says:

    @Longstreet: You are not alone, there are quite a few folks that are leaning in that direction that is why I asked the question. The thought of Obama being in the white house worries me, but my principles and my beliefs being sold out to keep a FAR LEFTY out is a tough sell.

    You want to hear something really bad????

    Had Hillary won the Democrat Nomination I would have voted for her, no questions asked.
    I wouldn’t have stumped for her, nor would I have told anyone I was going too, but I would have stuck to my No McCain guns. Now I don’t know.

  55. silent E Says:

    Excited Pfffft………
    The only half way positive thing is Judicial appointments. Otherwise I could get excited ONLY if McRino jumped into a telephone booth and came out a new Superman with the energy of my 5 year old son and the brain of Fred Thompson……….. Unfortunately we all know how hard it is to find a telephone booth these days.

  56. Robert Says:

    @Debbie: I am not sure I’d lift a finger to support him, nor will I defend him in debate as of now.

    When GWB was doing the right things I supported him full tilt, I still support him in certain situations but for the most part I am ANTI-Bush, his Border security, his amnesty push told me all I wanted know about the POTUS and frankly I don’t see much difference between him and McCain. But Obama and a DEMORAT congress would open the border give them medical/education/ more than now and make business pay for it, which hurts us in the global competition.

  57. GM Roper Says:

    Tough question. And the answer is that NOTHING can get me excited about McCain, not even if he picks a universally loved VP. However, I’ll vote for him before I’d ever vote for a socialist and liar like Obama. That the American people can’t see through the Obamamessiah really scares me.

  58. Ogre Says:

    I’m with many of the others here — the only thing that will get me excited about McCain is hearing that he’s quitting, resigning, or some other way will not be the Republican candidate. The parties are useless. The Democrats are way left and the Republicans are just medium leftists. Obama and McCain are both communists — seriously, look at their plans for the money I work and earn.

  59. Robert Says:

    @Ogre: Hey Ogre welcome back, I cleaned up a little…..Don’t spill no beer!
    Yeah I agree with that assessment. And truthfully that is another advantage McCain has over Obama, al be it a small one, McCain is (well, at least now) supporting the Bush tax cuts. Obama says he’ll cut them for the top earners, that is a flaw in the thinking of Demorats.

    Taking money from the richest, costs jobs and drives the economy in the tank, look at what has happened since 2004, and the Demorats only control the houses of congress.

  60. Robert Says:

    @GM Roper: Hey GM, yeah That is a problem, the uneducated voter and believe me there are a lot of them. Folks that see race as the underlying issue either for or against will decide the election. Fortunately for McCain he has a large Hispanic contingent that is supporting him. I am not sure if they can over come Obama’s “people” in voting numbers.

  61. Kate Says:

    Nagdabit! Here I’m hoping someone will give me a good reason to get excited about McFeingold, and what happens? sigh…

    Well, two good points that were brought up…..a good CONSERVATIVE Veep, and the SCOTUS. Oh, and what E said about the energy of his young’un. :)

    Well, I can understand why some folks are saying they won’t vote, but throwing away the presidency to that worthless socialist is totally unacceptable.

    We’re all still scratching our heads wondering what the heck happened! The NY Slimes picked our nominee. Something just stinks to high heaven here. Or, to quote a line from a movie… “like yesterday dirty diaper”!

  62. Shooterman Says:

    @Robert. So far, Ron Paul comes the closest of any of the PUBS to being an Old Right Conservative. My first vote was for Barry Goldwater, and I thought over the years, we would never see another one in my lifetime. That included Ronnie Reagan. Ron Paul has come the closest. Most of the other psuedo-conservatives that ran were all Big Government, big spending by big borrowing clowns that had no clue as to what we needed to return to. I made my case in several threads on several forums. The sheeple have spoken, they continue to want Bread and Circuses. They can do it without me. Oh, they’ll steal my money in the name of paying for government, welfare, and war, but it will have to be at the point of a gun, which is all the Income Tax is. They certainly will not get my donations and/or my vote.

  63. Robert Says:

    @Shooterman: You know, I am not nor have I ever been a fan of Ron Paul, he had some outdated views that were quite frankly rendered mute and it’s not possible to go back in time and make those ideals work in today s world.

    That being said, I would have voted for Paul over Obama and been much more excited than I am now. I am not sure I can abstain from voting, and I’m damn sure not going to vote for Obama but if McCain wins I’ll be his biggest critic so he better be right in his job performance.. You know how that is going to scare him?????? LMAO

  64. Robert Says:

    @Kate: The SCOTUS possibilities are the ONLY reason I can vote for him at all, the hope that the appointments HE makes would be more Common Sense oriented than OBAMA’s.

  65. Phred Says:

    I probably would have voted for Collin Powell too.I had hoped he would run.
    ( Sooooo, I guess that “clears ” me of being a racist ?? ).
    I CAN`T believe the Republicans couldn`t do any better …
    GOD Bless America, Y`all. Now more than ever.

  66. Robert Says:

    @Phred: Well Phred, in most eyes it would, but in liberal eyes it only says you feel guilty for the many years of oppression YOU inflicted on the Black man 100+years ago, and you are still harboring racist tendencies that can only be absolved if you vote for Obama..

    Luckily Most of us including yourself, apparently don’t see race in everything.

  67. Kate Says:

    Whoa! You mean Colin Powell is black?

  68. TexasFred Says:

    Kate, yes he is and if he would run I would be all over it in support… Powell is, in MY opinion, one great man, but I don’t think he’ll put up with the BS from the folks that think they run America, Generals are funny about that, they KNOW they run stuff, and as POTUS, he’d have a hell of a command…

  69. Kate Says:

    Dang! Did anyone tell the other black folk? cuz the way they treated him…. Hmmm..

    :)

  70. Robert Says:

    @Kate: Evidently not. Did you hear that Obama said exactly same thing to Black fathers that Bill Cosby said, Obama gets applause, and not a negative word mentioned in the media, Bill Cosby is a sell out, an uncle tom and has no idea what he is talking about….. You figure out haw that works.

  71. Robert Says:

    E, now that was funny, and true.. can’t find a phone booth and if we did it would be full of folks trying to text each other and having no luck. LOL

  72. cristina Says:

    C. Powell?? NO WAY! He’s an oportunist. McCain is worse than Bush: close Guantanamo, not pro-life, gang of 14, of 7, Feingold, so on…

    Voting for lesser of two evils, is still voring for an EVIL. We have to vote based on principles, or else the conservative movement will never come back. They see that they can get enough votes without conservative principles.

    Everything McCain will say, will say it just to get the votes, not because he’ll believe it.

  73. Robert Says:

    @cristina: I am in full agreement with you mrs.Cristina.
    However what ar willing to lose? FOUR years of McCain (with a few Bush traits) that might appoint a RIGHT leaning SCOTUS Judge, or stand by our principles and either abstain or write in a name which more than likely will seal the job for Obama, WHO WILL tilt the court far left.

    There is a serious quandry the fine GOP put the conservative base in.
    But wait it gets better. You remember after Clinton, the nation was ready for move Right? well that same feeling is back only opposite, the country appears ready for a left turn and at precisely the wrong time in the world.

  74. Phred Says:

    Sidenote : About slavery , did you know that it was Black people that sold Black people into slavery to the White people in the first place ?
    Fred is right, Powell has experience in leadership, and doing what is called for to achieve an objective. And he must have some kind of people skills and political savy – he made General.
    PS – I have done extensive genealogy work on my family and they didn`t own any slaves but the MSM still says I owe them something. BS
    PSS – They will also tell you that the Civil War was about slavery. BS
    It was about power and money – just like always.

  75. ablur Says:

    The only positive thing about McCain is that he is old enough to die of natural causes in office. Namely, with his temper just about anything could cause a stroke or a heart attack. The correct VP choice is our only hope.

    I don’t know if Steele or that LA Governor Jendohal (What ever). Tancredo would go a long way in my book.

    We need someone who will solve the Illegal issue and someone who will appoint conservative judges. Past that, we need them to shut up and keep the congress from doing anything at all. We can’t afford anymore democratic legislation. Not even one more tax and grab scheme.

    The Drill now attitude has brought him up in favor from zero to 5%. Obama has a negative rating and would destroy this nation given a democratic congress.

    I will ultimately be voting against Obama no matter what.

  76. Robert Says:

    @ablur: That is the truth as well Ablur, If he picked a good VP the majority of McCain voters (should he win) would be hoping for a natural cause event I think. That is a very sad state to be in but it might become reality.

    The Judges, the Battle against Terror are all McCain really offers over Obama, but that is enough in my book.

  77. TexasFred Says:

    Ablur, that Louisiana Governor is Bobby Jindal, and that guy is the best thing to EVER happen to Louisiana, I hope he stays where he is, but him or Hunter or Tancredo would be about ALL that would get me to vote for McCain, and then it would strictly be in hopes of, as YOU said, stroking out during a temper tantrum…

    And a Fred Thompson VP?? Not a chance in hell, then we get old and angry along with old and lazy, Thompson really pissed in a lot of Cheerios…

  78. Aaron "Elephant Forum" Says:

    The only way I could get excited about McCain is if he picked a really solid conservative and then resigned from the race the day of the Republican National Convention.
    Reagan-Goldwater in 2008 !!!

  79. Shooterman Says:

    @Robert. Well, Sir, I am of that old school with those outdated views, as well. There are few of us left.

  80. Robert Says:

    @Shooterman: What outdated views Shooter? Some folks consider the “Tell it like it is” View and action as refreshing, that is the way I view it.

    The view that we must curtail our speech in order not to offend is by all rights a good idea if possible, however once you bring up a topic like Illegal Immigration you become a target of the race baiter’s.

    I am not sure if that is what you meant by old school.

  81. Shooterman Says:

    @Robert. I believe very simply in the following things;

    Going to war only when that war is just and we’ve been attacked. That does not include trying to export democracy at the point of a gun and pre-emptive war.

    I believe in a strong specie currency; FIAT money will be the doom of us. Central Banks were anathema to all but a few of the Founders. The Central Bank by pumping too much money into the system are the cause of most of our financial woes

    I believe in the rights of man above all else. George Mason, who wrote the Bill of Rights was such a strong supporter of the Rights of Man, he would not approve of the Constitution, without a Bill of Rights. I believe they take precedent over all other aspects of government.

    I believe ever since the days of Dishonest Abe Lincoln, our country has ran roughshod over mens rights and the Rights of the States ( actually a misnomer, as governments only have powers, not rights )

    Our nation has become an empire- it has ceased being a Republic.

    That’s a few of my outdated views, Robert.

  82. Robert Says:

    @Shooterman: I don’t disagree with a few of those, except the first one and only part of that.
    “Going to war only when that war is just and we’ve been attacked. That does not include trying to export democracy at the point of a gun and pre-emptive war.”

    When is war just? I mean Afghanistan IMO was just, Iraq IMO was just if the intel was correct..THE WAY THEY WERE CONDUCTED is my problem with both of those instances.

    We shouldn’t have to wait for an attack before we strike, that was an outdated view that IMO doesn’t take into account the ability of folks and countries to wipe out LARGE numbers of civilians now that they didn’t have in the WW2 era. NUCLEAR weapons changed the rules. IMO.

    I don’t discuss Iraq anymore the reason is I am not happy about the way things have been done there but I refuse to condemn the conflict to failure while our guys are still in combat.

    But the rest of your so called “Outdated views” are not only accurate and I agree with them, however you can’t go back in time and change the decisions that were made. The reason Ron Paul didn’t do better is he didn’t say how he would “Put the genie back in the bottle” so to speak, you cant support the lazy SOB’s for 3 generations and then say “You are on your own” You can’t offer support to the world in the advancement of freedom and democracy and then turn the funding off, you cant change the country to gold standard in one fell swoop, when for the last 50 years we have done it this way….he never once articulated his plans to MOVE in that direction he just blamed and blamed and poointed out flaws.

    Like I said Shooter I would vote for RP before I vote for McCain, just because he has one more check mark beside his name in the “GOOD” column, that being the border.

  83. Shooterman Says:

    @Robert. I fully understood and endorsed the war against Afghanistan. Bin Laden ( remember him ) was the financier and instigator of the attack on the WTC. For about three months we were ‘gung ho’ to track the bugger down and make him pay. Whups! Now, it’s Bin Who? Those pushing for the base in the Mid East from which to let democracy be a shining example, could easily have made Afghanistan that base. Saddam was a bad dude, but the only thing holding the Sunnis and Shias at bay. Intel seemed a might shaky at best, eh?

    I am glad Mr Bush was not President during the Cold War, as we would all be buried under glass.

    Ron Paul may not have been a lot of people’s cup of tea, but let’s face it, during the debates, he got very little air time, as did Tancredo and Hunter. Hard to explain your points when being ignored. Of course the Big Clowns such as Guili Girl, Mitzi, and the clown of all clowns, Uncle Freddy, got a lot of time. McAmnesty was dead in the water a year ago, and suddenly got the money to win the nomination. Okay.

    That’s all water under the bridge, now. We’ll continue our headlong rush to the edge of the cliff, whether at 90 mph with the Socialists DIMS or at 85 mph with the Socialist Lite PUBS. Each succeeding cycle will find the candidates moving farther and farther to the left; after all, that is what the sheeple want. Bread and Circuses

  84. Malagent Says:

    To be truly excited he would have to drop out of the race and endorse Fred Thompson. Of Course Fred would have to agree with this. My excitement has been rotting in the hall since Fred dropped out of the race.

    I suppose the next best thing would be if Fred was the VP.

  85. Robert Says:

    @Malagent: That would sure help, and I was an avid supporter of FT’s run, but he didn’t seem like he really wanted it until it was too late.
    If F.T decided to be on the ticket it might help.

  86. Miss Beth Says:

    The problem with FT being VP, though, is he’s already said he wouldn’t accept. Which was a total downer in my book. That’s why I was excited that FT at least was having some sort of advisory role in the Court arena.

  87. Robert Says:

    @Miss Beth: Yeah, we talked about that, do you think McCain will listen to his advisers or will he be the “Decider”?

    At least McCain held on to F.T in some capacity it gives us a small glimmer of hope…